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heavy metal music today ya watched uh

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I've got a few seconds here I was

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watching these videos since guitar

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player in his bedroom if if Blanc played

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four blank so he would do like if Yngwie

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played for Van Halen

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you know if Yngwie played for Michael

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Jackson or if Eddie Van Halen played for

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ZZ Top you know and he's got he's really

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good he's good he's a really good player

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and he did if Eddie Van Halen played for

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AHA right stand by me uh take on me

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stand by me he did the police too it was

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really really good really talented

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anyway so I was cranking that stuff up

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today okay tonight Nick Redfern yeah

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Slenderman got the book right here so

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that's what we're gonna do tonight

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tomorrow night's rizz Burke are you

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enjoying on stellar pretty amazing in it

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pretty stellar over there at on stellar

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I know I keep hyping this up but I have

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to because it's the next big thing and

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I'm off face book here and I want to

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make sure that all of you are with me

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over and on stellar when we do that okay

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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 here on the airport

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with ethanol and applying there has been

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found and is now in the possession of

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the otter the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside his way

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the GameChanger radio network

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and a GRA the global rain

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we need your help to get to the year

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with jimmy touch on the game-changing

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good evening fade to black

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today's Tuesday May 15th 2018 134 days

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are live from a bunker somewhere in

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beautiful downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer network in kg ra the

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planets amigos jimmy church what is

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all right tonight very special guests

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Nick Redfern is here we're gonna talk

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about his new book and the Slender Man

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mysteries you got it right here

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there it is Slender Man mysteries

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tomorrow night rizz Burke is here we're

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gonna discuss killer AI yes sir that's

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tomorrow night Thursday is another Fator

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night with Jon Rappoport it's gonna be

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here with his no more fake newsroom live

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what's going on over here in Twitter

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tweet deck because I'm on on seller

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see the thing oh look at Mark tirana

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oh is that Karen McIntyre you guys both

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dancing gift that's uh pretty amazing

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it's pretty amazing you guys are good

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Facebook for a little while longer we're

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won't be friending anymore it's a waste

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of time but I hit my friends limit you

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of 5,000 you go through 5,000 and you

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longer on Facebook and so you delete

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introduce on stellar to the world but

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you can go and subscribe to our YouTube

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sandbox on Twitter by the way is hashtag

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if to be come over and hang out there

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and these gifts you guys are out of

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control for all of the new listeners to

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the show the sandbox is where all of the

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fader nots and the audience hangs out

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each night and at the beginning of the

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show when the music starts everybody

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starts posting these dancing gifts I'll

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if you want to check out all the dancing

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gifts at Church radio we still like in

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the meantime we still like Twitter all

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right you can email throughout the show

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to like it ten thousand tweet night

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thousand tweets right there a hashtag if

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to be come and check it out and let's go

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Kim fatty fat kim jeong-hoon

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Marina sans saying that the US should

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upcoming meeting in view of what it

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that I thought now this is what I

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do your thing don't care about the

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military exercises we don't care about

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troops on the DMZ we don't in fact we

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don't care about anything we are going

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to dismantle we are gonna need nuclear

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one Korea one people and and we just

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the meetings and Pompeyo and man so

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saying that Kim fatty fat just said he

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he doesn't he understands that we need

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military exercises he understands that

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we've had issues he understands that

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South Korea needs to defend themself

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he understands that it should be a

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nuclear-free peninsula he understands

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that we need to dismantle the program he

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understands everything is fine he gets

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it he understands these things that's

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what I heard over and over and over and

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over and over again and here we are less

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than a month out June 12th right and and

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he's already threatened to pull out now

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I don't know what his angle is well the

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angle is he wants something you know now

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if he pulls out of this are we right

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back to where we were before you know

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that's the thing are we right back to

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this tension it felt good it felt good

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we didn't even get to the blowing up of

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the stupid nuclear test site we didn't

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even get to see that happen I wonder if

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that's gonna I wonder if that's gonna go

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down man all right okay all right enough

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of that you knew it was gonna happened

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he just knew it now let's let's hope

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that the summit goes off and everything

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that Kim fatty fat said was true that he

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understands you know I don't see the US

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troops leaving South Korea I don't see

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that happening I don't see US troops

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leaving anywhere Guam I don't see that

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that happening so I don't know what it

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is that he would expect us to give up I

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don't know about the military drills I

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don't know about any of that one thing

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is for sure right on the other side of

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the DMZ there are thousands of missiles

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and cannons

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and howitzers that are pointing right at

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Seoul right it's what is he gonna give

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all of that up so there you go there you

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go you knew this you me this was gonna

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happen let's hope the summit goes off

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all right now back to on stellar I've

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got to do this tonight because I spent

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so much time on on stellar today and I'm

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just gonna go through and click I'm just

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gonna everybody that just friended me

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right one let's just go down and so when

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you're here and everybody there boom

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boom boom boom boom yeah I just did it

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just did it because everybody that is

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here is enjoying an advertising free no

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data mining free no censorship no crazy

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political talk no harassment nothing

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like that is going on right now and you

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can come over and just hang out and have

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a good time and and share knowledge and

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enjoy the experience and it I think I

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mentioned this yesterday I certainly

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mentioned it to somebody that do you

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remember back on AOL 1995 AOL 1995 1996

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and you're surfing around you're doing

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and you saw your first pop-up ad

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remember that one right across your

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screen boom and you about through your

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computer out the window you were so

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offended and so Papa bad who could do

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this to me

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a pop-up ad remember that well go over

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it on stellar that's gone gone no no

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advertising Facebook I'm over here on

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Facebook right now and you go to your

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newsfeed so I'm just loaded up my

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newsfeed okay here we go

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I'm scrolling a one post ad post ad post

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ad post ad post

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post pad pose and then of course the

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posts that are disguised his ads right

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so on so likes a dad so I just looked at

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twenty post and I looked at twenty ads

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that's disgusting

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and you are so used to it the automated

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videos playing got a scroll left right

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Amazon this that it's everything is an

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ad and it's not what you get over at on

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stellar now the other beautiful thing

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now that we've added the newsfeed it's

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called my feed right there at the top of

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the page so this this is the update from

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today so now your newsfeed has got two

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different Scrolls hunted how cool is

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that

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the post on the right has its own scroll

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and the articles on the left are on

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their own scroll and you can do your own

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man that is beautiful it's genius it's

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things like this that nobody else has

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and no other social media platform and

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Facebook certainly will not adapt

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they're too big they don't care about

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you they don't they honestly do not care

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about you and having things like this

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this technology in this vision for the

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user experience of the future this is

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incredible and now that the newsfeed is

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live and the the basic shell of

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everything is operational now we're

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gonna go back and really really add some

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really cool features dial in the look in

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the field which is already great but you

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know dial it in fine tune it just

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fine-tune it the basic tapestry the

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basic painting is on the canvas in front

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of us and that's it I just dial it in

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just you know just to just and adjust

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and have fun and that's what on stellar

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is Facebook is crap Facebook is it you

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got you come over here new experience in

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this and you

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Eli's out of the gate how wonderful the

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Internet is how cool it is man and

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there's no right now by the way

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right now there's no trolls over here

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I'm sure they're lurking but they don't

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know what to do there's too many cool

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people here right but you know what I

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you know what on stellar is gonna add

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are you ready they're gonna add a troll

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button let somebody troll I don't know

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what we're gonna show we make it look

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like the troll under the bridge little

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icon you just click on that and that

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notification goes through that

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notification goes through and you do not

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want to have that on you and we will

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have fun you know think about that if

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the community wants to give you a new

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profile picture that's a troll that's

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why this platform is cool because it's

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built for you think about that oh man

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and yeah it could happen by the way okay

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I'm very excited to have a Nick Redfern

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here and his uh his if you go over you

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know for who he writes for and

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everything if you go over to is Nick

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Redfern blogspot the link is over at a

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Jimmy Church radio calm he is a writing

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machine and I really enjoy his stuff and

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I've teased him over the years because

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it's true that I will go and read his

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stuff and then steal it and then come on

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the air that night if I ever need

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material I go read Nick I do I really do

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the way that he writes and the way that

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he investigates and researches he's one

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of the best and I steal I steal but at

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least I tell him that you know I just

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want to let him know and I

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everybody to go read his stuff so

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tonight Nick Redfern is here his new

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book is the Slenderman mysteries and

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we'll be discussing that let's get this

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show cracking I do want to give a

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birthday wishes today to Brian Eno Brian

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Eno today is 74 and his Roxy Music his

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video more than this 1982 right may be

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83 82 right in there at the dawn of MTV

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more than this is a place that you go to

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if you're my age you go right back to

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being 16 17 years old again when MTV

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cranked off and more than this was

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playing and he's got a place for all of

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his happy birthday Brian Eno today 74

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mike oldfield today is just 64 and of

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course tubular bells which launched

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virgin records by the way and started

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that Empire and was this theme song to

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the Exorcist Mike Oldfield one of the

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talented musicians and songwriters of

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our generation absolutely incredible

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talent and that song tubular bells is

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one of the creepiest best instrumentals

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ever happy birthday today to Mike

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Oldfield our dead guys birthday today is

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and I do need a moment of silence gary

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thane 1948 to 1975 Gary died at the age

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of 27 and of course he was the bassist

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for uriah heep he played on four studio

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albums demons and wizards yes sir

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the magician's birthday yes siree

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sweet freedom and Wonderworld four

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amazing albums but he also played on

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their live album Uriah Heep live during

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his last tour in the United States with

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you

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hee hee hee suffered an electric shock

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on stage at the Moody Coliseum in Dallas

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Texas on the 15th of September in 1974

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and he was seriously injured he was

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shocked

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due to his drug addiction he was not

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able to perform you know a perform

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properly he was so talented but drugs in

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this electrical shock changed him and he

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was fired by the ban in early 1975 and

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replaced by the great John Wetton Thane

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died of respiratory failure due to a

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heroin overdose on the 8th of December

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1975 at age 27 he was one of the greats

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Gary Thane Wow Wow unbelievable story

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I'm a big uriah heep fan all of us are

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if you're in the metal and there you go

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most people don't know a blizzard of

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aahhhs Ozzy's first album well and diary

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of a madman that was Uriah Heep was

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right the backup band was right

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Plus Randy Rhoads most people don't know

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that and it's kind of us the pictures on

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the album tell a different story

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ok anyway why they were that good on

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this day in history OTD 1963 Gordon

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Cooper is launched into space aboard

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faith 7 on the longest American space

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mission to date Cooper completed 22

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orbits of the earth in 34 hours on this

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day in 1963 fader fact here you go

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before the Columbian Exchange listen to

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me before the Columbian Exchange

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there were no oranges in Florida there

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were no bananas in Ecuador there were no

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potatoes in Ireland there was no coffee

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in Colombia there were no pineapples in

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Hawaii there were no rubber trees in

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Africa there were no tomatoes in Italy

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and no chocolate in Switzerland holy

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crap now in case you didn't know the

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Columbian Exchange was the widespread

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transfer of plants animals culture human

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populations technology and ideas between

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the Americas in the old world in the

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fifteenth and sixteenth centuries and

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that is a fader fact tonight Nick

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Redfern is here and we're gonna talk

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about the Slenderman mysteries this is

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his latest book on Slenderman but I

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would say this you could write an

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encyclopedia set on a Slenderman and the

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reasons the Slenderman is complex and

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how it manifested itself in modern

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folklore through modern means and what

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resulted from it is huge we can look

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throughout history for other examples of

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myths and legends folklore tales like

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Slenderman Slenderman was not the first

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Slenderman is certainly the latest and I

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I used to go on the net ah and find the

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creepypasta Slenderman stories and

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listen to them in the dark some are

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better than others

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but it freaked me out and the story and

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the idea behind Slenderman is probably

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creepier than Slenderman the power of

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the Internet the power of the mind the

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power of telling a good story like the

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creepypasta series which you can go and

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do today is incredible and the modern

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versions and the modern spins that some

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of the better creepypasta does is some

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of the scariest stuff that you can

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listen to and it's fun it's fun it's fun

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it's it's it's fun to get scared that's

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why we go to movies and get scared and

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scream and and and do all of that

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because we enjoy it and I do and I went

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through the creepypasta stuff and the

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Slender Man listening to modern writers

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tell us how they get scared and what

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terrifies them and when you look at it

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in the modern context if you go back to

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I just talked about the troll under the

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bridge or the you know the the old lady

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in the woods of the goes to these

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stories you know that are hundreds of

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years old back then they were terrifying

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because they were told and and created

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in the modern context of that day so you

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roll in Slenderman with the modern

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context and the other creepypasta

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stories that are there and you've got

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some good stuff and if you haven't gone

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and checked out creepypasta you owe it

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to yourself to go and do just that just

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just get it going on your tablet your

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computer and and put it on your

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nightstand Sirius do and fall asleep to

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it some of them are really really good

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and really original

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and some of the voices and the

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narrator's out there are really good at

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00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:14,550
what they do but the modern version of

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these I've got to say it is it's creepy

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and it's scary and it's terrifying

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Slender Man came out of that and what

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slat and Slenderman has manifested

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itself into I think is what we are all

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00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:35,990
scared of the character the way he looks

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if you've ever gone

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I think it's Grand Theft Auto and you

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play Grand Theft Auto is it Grand Theft

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00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,930
Auto five is that San Andreas and so I

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went and played the game because I heard

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that you know Slenderman is there so I'm

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playing Grand I'm playing Grand Theft

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Auto and there it is

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Slenderman pops up and in the woods and

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you would go you had to go to a cabin in

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in the middle of the woods and you

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walked up to the door and went inside

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the cabin and did a couple of things

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00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:14,850
than a boom Slenderman is off in the

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distance behind some trees and comes up

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to you and you can't shake them so now

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00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:24,480
you're out of your car and you're

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running and Slenderman is there it's the

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way that it's done it's scary it's

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terrifying and it's well done

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then it's modern and it's mad it's

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managed to man itself into reality is

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that the hive mind is that the the

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Internet of the hive mind of us well

540
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tonight we're going to talk to Nick

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about all of that it is like I said he's

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written one more book on it I think

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personally you could write a dozen and

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and not hit bottom

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this is fade to black I'm your host Jim

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Peters tonight Nick Redfern the Slender

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I'm your host Amy Church tonight Nick

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Redfern is with us we're gonna discuss

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his new book the Slenderman mysteries

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night long one night we got to get Nick

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Redfern in here for open lines hang out

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all night talk some music get out of the

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supernatural paranormal world and talk

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talk some music Nick Redfern he works as

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a full-time writer a lecturer a

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journalist he writes about a wide range

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of unsolved mysteries including Bigfoot

642
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UFOs Loch Ness monster alien encounters

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and government conspiracies

644
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he has written 33 books I don't believe

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that number I think it's closer to 60

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including men and black the zombie book

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for nobody's eyes only final events

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secret history monster files the world's

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weirdest places the pyramids and the

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Pentagon and the chupacabra road trip

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Nick rights for the MUFON UFO journal

652
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and mysterious universe where I get all

653
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of my best material nick has appeared on

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numerous television shows including Fox

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News the History Channel's ancient

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aliens Monster quest

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UFO Hunters vh1's legend hunters

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National Geographic channel's the truth

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about UFOs and para natural BBC's

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out-of-this-world msnbc's countdown and

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sci-fi channels proof-positive and

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tonight we're going to discuss the

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Slender Man mysteries his website is

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Nick Redfern 40 and dot blog spot.com

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the links are over to me church radio

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calm I like to welcome back to fade to

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black

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Nick Redfern Nick good evening man how

669
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are you it's always great but you know

670
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what I'm gonna ask your first Nick what

671
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,089
t-shirt do you have on right now it's

672
00:38:02,690 --> 00:37:59,700
one of my favorite falling-apart

673
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t-shirts it's like a 10 year old

674
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cause like bare grain tatius oh okay all

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right

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you know I was hoping for the misfits

677
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but you know Coors Light there you go

678
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so mad DUI when people come up to you

679
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Nick

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before we get started do they

681
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necessarily go to the supernatural or do

682
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they come up in and talk music a bit of

683
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both really I mean you know I'm sort of

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background in writing for music

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magazines and you know I play guitar and

686
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get up with friends now and again and so

687
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you know I'm cool with with either

688
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really or a bit of both you know for me

689
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I I enjoy hanging out with people you

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know at conferences and gigs and just

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having a good time I think you know when

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you go to these conferences obviously

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people go there to get the information

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there's no data but there's always a

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good social scene as well you know and I

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think that's important where you nobody

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can hang out and we're all together kind

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of thing you know and it all works well

699
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well what I have found and you and I

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certainly have talked about this before

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but I think it's important that with me

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like yourself you are you you know and

703
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you never held that back and and I am

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Who I am and I like to talk about punk

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rock and I like to talk about heavy

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metal music and I'd like to talk about

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scary things and UFOs these are the

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things that make me me right and if I

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did it enough the audience would

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understand that I'm not trying to be

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some I'm just myself

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but that they are also into those same

713
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things right we all grew up in the 70s

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the 80s and MTV and and what went down

715
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:01,280
in the music scene and these things are

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important to us and you know what so are

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UFOs and so was Bigfoot

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so you're right you're right and no I

719
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totally agree with you I think you know

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everybody in the subject

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should be just who you are and don't try

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and present yourself as something that

723
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you think people should expect you to be

724
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that's why you know I go to conferences

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and they're like the organizers often

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though I own it you know kind of put a

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shirt and tie in a jacket on I'm like no

728
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no no no no I don't like couple hundred

729
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t-shirts or number ten pairs of black

730
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jeans two or three blue jeans half a

731
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dozen pairs of converse all-stars and

732
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:44,910
about five or six black biker jackets

733
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and that's it so if it's luck that's not

734
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good enough for you it's too bad you

735
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know my hands well when we design the

736
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fade to black t-shirt our standard was

737
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:59,160
will it look good a Nick Redfern right

738
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:01,500
that was that was our standard and one

739
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:03,450
of my prized possessions is that picture

740
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:06,900
that you sent me one day of you were in

741
00:41:10,850 --> 00:41:08,220
the fade to black shirt I said to myself

742
00:41:17,090 --> 00:41:10,860
perfect we hit it we hit it out of the

743
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:17,100
park but yeah that's bright orange and

744
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:19,140
yellow yes yes

745
00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:22,500
yeah there was a yeah could you imagine

746
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:24,870
if you went to a conference and it was

747
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:27,300
like what is a nightmare

748
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:29,730
like an expensive restaurant right that

749
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:31,380
you show up and you don't have a jacket

750
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:33,690
and they give you the jacket to wear so

751
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:35,490
you go to a conference and you show up

752
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:37,890
and you go no I don't have a jacket we

753
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:43,440
do right here neck never actually

754
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,530
happened no flee it never will you know

755
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:49,440
it's but I mean joking aside I think you

756
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:52,020
know it is important that not just what

757
00:41:58,670 --> 00:41:55,590
you say but how you present yourself and

758
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:58,680
and I always think you know that the

759
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:00,570
data speaks for itself when we're

760
00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:02,150
lecturing on whether it's Bigfoot

761
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,600
Roswell

762
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:06,240
you know cryptozoology triple cab or

763
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,480
whatever if the way I look at if you can

764
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:12,720
present like a good solid lecture with a

765
00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:15,330
lot of data and names and images for the

766
00:42:21,110 --> 00:42:18,150
audience to see and you know throw in a

767
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:21,120
few jokes and and keep it informative

768
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:24,630
and intriguing for them I don't think it

769
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:27,570
matters you know if you come on stage in

770
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,170
a parish

771
00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:30,599
any shoes or a pair of biker boots you

772
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,299
know hey it might matter to some buddy

773
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:36,240
but it really shouldn't you know why how

774
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:39,720
do you and you know I've given you a lot

775
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:43,740
of credit over the years for stealing

776
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:45,660
your material you know I do it all the

777
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:45,900
time

778
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:48,030
you're very prolific and you're always

779
00:42:52,910 --> 00:42:50,430
writing and at least I admit to it right

780
00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:52,920
okay so you know that's half of it but

781
00:43:00,020 --> 00:42:57,390
you're very very prolific and one of the

782
00:43:02,630 --> 00:43:00,030
things that you wrote about once and

783
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,640
then you said it during one of our

784
00:43:06,799 --> 00:43:05,040
panels a few years ago but you said

785
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,809
something that stuck with me we'll get

786
00:43:10,789 --> 00:43:09,119
to Slenderman in a second but you said

787
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:10,799
something that stuck with me so much

788
00:43:17,859 --> 00:43:14,040
that I have quoted you time and time

789
00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:17,869
again over the years and you said this

790
00:43:25,069 --> 00:43:22,470
you said we were talking about UFOs and

791
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,079
and you had written about it but then

792
00:43:30,970 --> 00:43:27,660
you repeated it which was this you said

793
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:30,980
you know I don't necessarily think it's

794
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:33,900
interstellar travel or speed of light

795
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:37,290
that these things could just be coming

796
00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:40,410
to us from inside of our solar system

797
00:43:45,859 --> 00:43:43,319
they don't need to do anything they just

798
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:45,869
zip over here really quickly they could

799
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,430
be anywhere inside of our solar system

800
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:50,400
and and that's probably what we're

801
00:43:53,420 --> 00:43:51,839
seeing here they're not coming from

802
00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:53,430
another star at the speed of light

803
00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:57,030
through a wormhole that's a very heavy

804
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,490
statement and it's always stopped me in

805
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:01,680
my tracks where did that thought come

806
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:05,250
from for you well you know when I was a

807
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:07,170
kid I first got into all this you know

808
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:08,910
it was all very much black and white

809
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:11,160
that speak foot's a giant ape from

810
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,130
whatever and you know aliens are coming

811
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:16,710
from this star system but you know over

812
00:44:22,579 --> 00:44:20,089
time a lot of my views have changed as

813
00:44:24,859 --> 00:44:22,589
lots of things you don't change it as

814
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:24,869
you as you sort of progressed through

815
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:29,250
the years but you know I think certainly

816
00:44:33,049 --> 00:44:30,660
some of my views have changed where I

817
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,059
think some of these entities if you like

818
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:35,940
may not be from as you said from some

819
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,240
faraway star system but maybe you know

820
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,880
that things like quantum physics we

821
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,740
allowing for the existence of like

822
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:46,560
multiple dimensions and different realms

823
00:44:51,110 --> 00:44:48,990
of existence you know I often think that

824
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,120
they're alien in the sense that they're

825
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:53,520
non-human but it could be you know

826
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,670
attune in your radio from one station to

827
00:45:01,220 --> 00:44:58,800
another you know they can flit in and

828
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:01,230
out of our reality and back again rather

829
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:02,730
than having to come these vast distances

830
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,910
you know I think that's probably more

831
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,920
likely but as I said it still makes them

832
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,800
alien but does it make them

833
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:12,420
extraterrestrial or does it make them

834
00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:15,030
sort of multi-dimensional you know

835
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:16,460
that's that's kind of the big question

836
00:45:22,610 --> 00:45:19,620
yeah because you know we have so many

837
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,620
different types of sightings nearly

838
00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:24,000
every single day different types of

839
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:26,670
craft different and there's so many that

840
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:31,920
there would almost have to be a traffic

841
00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:34,830
jam somewhere you know what I mean but

842
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:37,620
maybe it's as simple as they're already

843
00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:38,490
here

844
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,100
they're just cruising by the Robert II

845
00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:44,400
here they they don't have to jump on you

846
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:47,190
know the 10 freeway of the universe and

847
00:45:52,070 --> 00:45:50,370
and and travel here these vast distances

848
00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:52,080
and take a lot of time they're just

849
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:54,390
there they're here they're going back

850
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:57,210
and we're seeing the same craft over and

851
00:46:01,850 --> 00:45:58,950
over again because they're just here in

852
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:01,860
the neighborhood well yeah I mean that

853
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:04,140
makes a lot of sense because you know

854
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:06,540
regardless what people think about the

855
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:08,550
subject I think there is this tendency

856
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,540
to assume that when the UFO is not

857
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:14,640
around you know it's it's way off

858
00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:17,130
wherever but thank you right I mean you

859
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:18,600
know if you deal him into something that

860
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:22,020
has any interest in the human race and

861
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:25,110
the planet for whatever reasons well it

862
00:46:29,330 --> 00:46:26,780
would make far more sense to be

863
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:29,340
relatively close to it all the time you

864
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:32,250
know if not on it permanently where do

865
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,610
you I mentioned mysterious universe all

866
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:38,640
the time and and how much writing you do

867
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:42,330
do including all of the books and which

868
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:45,270
is not an easy task to to write a book

869
00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:49,380
let alone as many as you have do you

870
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,150
find yourself getting writer's block

871
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:53,880
where do you continually come up to the

872
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:54,420
with

873
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:00,720
day well you know actually I really

874
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,210
don't get writer's block and I think the

875
00:47:08,539 --> 00:47:06,000
main reason why is because I like to

876
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:08,549
sort of keep things structured and by

877
00:47:14,420 --> 00:47:10,920
that I like to sort of just write Monday

878
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,430
to Friday 9:00 to 5:00 I keep I like to

879
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:16,319
keep it as like job hours if you like

880
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:20,010
and then I have by doing that I have up

881
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:22,650
every night off and I have every weekend

882
00:47:26,779 --> 00:47:24,390
off you know sort of five o'clock on a

883
00:47:28,789 --> 00:47:26,789
Friday afternoon the laptop goes into

884
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,799
sleep mode and it don't get open again

885
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:31,260
till eight o'clock Monday morning and

886
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:32,760
then I've got all Friday night or

887
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:35,369
Saturday or Sunday or every night off in

888
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:39,990
the week and so by doing it like that I

889
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:41,819
don't get frazzled I don't get burned

890
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,819
out I have a good fun social life you

891
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:46,380
know and evenings and weekend and

892
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:49,650
weekends and that way I don't get that

893
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,710
sense of exhaustion or just trying to

894
00:47:57,620 --> 00:47:55,380
come up with ideas because some you know

895
00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:57,630
you constantly sort of refreshed by

896
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:01,410
doing it like that now I he does require

897
00:48:04,849 --> 00:48:03,210
you know it's like any job when you're

898
00:48:07,759 --> 00:48:04,859
sort of self-employed at working and

899
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,769
working at home you know you have to be

900
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,200
structured because it would be so easy

901
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:12,960
to think I'll just sleep until noon but

902
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:16,650
then you think I'll crap you know I've

903
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:19,740
la half the day's gone so you know I am

904
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:21,990
structured in that sense but I'm also

905
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,140
someone who values a good social life

906
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:27,480
and takes the time off and has a good

907
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:30,569
time and then that way I'm not sort of

908
00:48:36,289 --> 00:48:34,140
frazzled from dhoop from writing like 18

909
00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:36,299
hours a day or 16 hours a day which I

910
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:39,180
just could not do you know I blow a

911
00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:41,490
blood vessel or something you know do

912
00:48:49,630 --> 00:48:45,750
you ever do you do you ever get scared

913
00:48:54,049 --> 00:48:49,640
do you scare yourself as you're writing

914
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:54,059
no not really because I mean I'm not

915
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:55,740
someone who has that kind of character

916
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,660
anyway any you know if I'm sort of in

917
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:00,599
the woods on an expedition so you know

918
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:02,490
being foot or out on a lake where

919
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,930
there's been a like monster story that

920
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:06,480
kind of thing I kind of get like an

921
00:49:10,890 --> 00:49:08,049
adrenaline rush

922
00:49:13,739 --> 00:49:10,900
to do it more it's not like you know I

923
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:13,749
get panicky and back off I like to sort

924
00:49:18,569 --> 00:49:16,689
of well this is cool you know let's it's

925
00:49:23,189 --> 00:49:18,579
not just back off let's just go and look

926
00:49:25,769 --> 00:49:23,199
for it so I kind of view it from a an

927
00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:25,779
exciting perspective not looking at it

928
00:49:32,189 --> 00:49:28,359
as you know the glass half-full kind of

929
00:49:34,919 --> 00:49:32,199
thing but I guess some of the books are

930
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:34,929
right you know I write them as the story

931
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:36,609
went along you know if it's like an

932
00:49:41,249 --> 00:49:38,529
expedition like the chipper camp a road

933
00:49:43,650 --> 00:49:41,259
trip book I write that in the theme of

934
00:49:45,419 --> 00:49:43,660
the story you know it's really called

935
00:49:47,939 --> 00:49:45,429
rut scherbakov a road trip because I

936
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:47,949
write it like the road trip happened you

937
00:49:52,019 --> 00:49:49,209
know sort of it was a dark and stormy

938
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:52,029
night and I jumped in the car and headed

939
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:53,529
off into the darkness looking for the

940
00:49:58,769 --> 00:49:55,390
chupacabra that's how I write those kind

941
00:50:00,900 --> 00:49:58,779
of books but then other ones which sort

942
00:50:04,259 --> 00:50:00,910
of require more of a journalistic

943
00:50:06,900 --> 00:50:04,269
approach I take like a detached angle

944
00:50:08,989 --> 00:50:06,910
where it's you know I'm just talking

945
00:50:12,329 --> 00:50:08,999
about the story I'm not talking about my

946
00:50:15,089 --> 00:50:12,339
role in the story you know say it's more

947
00:50:17,279 --> 00:50:15,099
like a that's written more in along the

948
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:17,289
lines of like a newspaper article or

949
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:21,400
magazine article versus you know the

950
00:50:29,819 --> 00:50:25,689
expedition diary type of writing as well

951
00:50:32,819 --> 00:50:29,829
that I do well this this is scary

952
00:50:35,579 --> 00:50:32,829
okay the Slender Man mysteries is scary

953
00:50:37,469 --> 00:50:35,589
for a lot of different reasons but one

954
00:50:43,019 --> 00:50:37,479
of the things is it's a contemporary

955
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:43,029
version of folklore that that's gone

956
00:50:48,689 --> 00:50:46,329
back for a thousand years or more and so

957
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:48,699
in that context it's very very

958
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:51,249
terrifying but it's also about

959
00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:53,410
manifesting that's exactly what this

960
00:50:59,789 --> 00:50:55,660
book is about this book is true stories

961
00:51:02,459 --> 00:50:59,799
right which is well we'll get to that in

962
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:02,469
a second but what about you you're

963
00:51:07,319 --> 00:51:04,150
writing about it you're thinking about

964
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:07,329
it and and what about the possibility of

965
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,630
you turning a corner and and looking at

966
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:13,119
Slenderman and you manifested our own

967
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:16,089
reality well you're actually not the

968
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:18,980
first person to mention that

969
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:21,950
well I think the one difference is that

970
00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:24,710
a lot of the people who've really got

971
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:26,900
obsessed with the Slenderman phenomenon

972
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:29,930
are people who sort of felt hooked into

973
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,000
it and they cannot get away from it

974
00:51:37,930 --> 00:51:35,440
where some my perspective I'm sort of

975
00:51:39,970 --> 00:51:37,940
semi-detached so to speak and telling

976
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:39,980
the story of the other people in that

977
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:41,890
sense you know there is sort of like a

978
00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:44,690
like a block there almost you know where

979
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:46,790
I'm telling the story rather than been

980
00:51:51,790 --> 00:51:49,700
actually part of the story but what I

981
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:51,800
will say is that you know this whole

982
00:51:56,530 --> 00:51:53,990
whole angle of people believing in it

983
00:51:59,440 --> 00:51:56,540
and then he manifesting since the books

984
00:52:02,200 --> 00:51:59,450
come out I've actually had a lot of

985
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:02,210
stories from people who have had their

986
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:04,760
own experiences since reading the book

987
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:09,200
which you know is kind of is disturbing

988
00:52:14,109 --> 00:52:11,930
but also intriguing the idea that you

989
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,119
can read a book and become so engrossed

990
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:16,400
in the character or the figure like the

991
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:18,710
Slender Man that you can cause it to

992
00:52:26,260 --> 00:52:21,650
manifest in a strange way and then you

993
00:52:27,819 --> 00:52:26,270
start to see it so you know somebody

994
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:27,829
actually use the term you know they said

995
00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:32,450
your book is dangerous which you know if

996
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:34,520
is something that actually you can make

997
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:38,390
an argument in favor of but on the other

998
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:43,119
hand if you're so caught up in it that

999
00:52:50,859 --> 00:52:47,569
you know you begin to see it in the real

1000
00:52:52,569 --> 00:52:50,869
world well that says as much I guess

1001
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:52,579
about the character of the person if

1002
00:52:56,140 --> 00:52:54,230
they become obsessed you know and that's

1003
00:52:57,970 --> 00:52:56,150
that's one of the dark and disturbing

1004
00:53:01,329 --> 00:52:57,980
things about the Slender Man phenomenon

1005
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:01,339
is unlike so many other creatures in the

1006
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:03,650
paranormal world the Slender Man is

1007
00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:06,050
really is the only one that seems to

1008
00:53:11,020 --> 00:53:09,560
provoke massive obsession in people you

1009
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,030
know for a lot of other papers just an

1010
00:53:16,030 --> 00:53:13,520
interest or fascination but it becomes

1011
00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:16,040
this disturbing obsession which they

1012
00:53:22,059 --> 00:53:18,680
cannot get away from it's like if the

1013
00:53:24,550 --> 00:53:22,069
Slenderman getting scripts into them and

1014
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:24,560
I think that's why possibly a lot of the

1015
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,930
people who sort of contacted me and read

1016
00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:28,400
the book and then started to have their

1017
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:32,150
own encounters they all said you know

1018
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:32,510
that they

1019
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:34,910
were able to sort of break that link

1020
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:38,300
whereas for me I don't have that link

1021
00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:41,330
you know really I have sort of a looking

1022
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:43,340
at it you know from a journalistic

1023
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:45,830
perspective rather than being a victim

1024
00:53:54,510 --> 00:53:50,630
of the Slenderman the the ability to

1025
00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:54,520
tell a story and scare the crap out of

1026
00:54:02,440 --> 00:53:58,520
your kids this is a this is a family

1027
00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:02,450
tradition that goes back forever and it

1028
00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:04,820
was the warning to stay out of the woods

1029
00:54:09,340 --> 00:54:06,920
right it was the warning not to walk

1030
00:54:13,390 --> 00:54:09,350
down that road it was the warning there

1031
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,400
were there were the the morals to these

1032
00:54:20,260 --> 00:54:15,440
stories too as well so there's that part

1033
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,270
of it but it it tended to over time if

1034
00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:22,640
the more that you tell the story then it

1035
00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:25,790
manifests into a reality where that

1036
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:28,100
those woods you know this is a couple

1037
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:30,700
hundred years ago whatever and in France

1038
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:33,650
suddenly two kids disappear in the woods

1039
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:38,800
right for real and now it manifests into

1040
00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:42,350
to being a reality in that in that day

1041
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:46,580
and time are we in that same aspect of

1042
00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:49,310
this I mean it has certainly happened so

1043
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:52,070
much that manifesting your own reality

1044
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:54,290
is something that we have to deal with

1045
00:54:59,380 --> 00:54:57,380
and consider oh yeah I mean there's no

1046
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,390
doubt in my mind that this does happen

1047
00:55:03,580 --> 00:55:01,520
and this it revolves around the concept

1048
00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:03,590
of what are known as thought forms and

1049
00:55:08,020 --> 00:55:05,780
for people who may not know a thought

1050
00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:08,030
form it's basically the English version

1051
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:11,840
of a word chopper which is something

1052
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:14,750
that was developed in in Tibet and the

1053
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:17,450
Buddhist religion and they believe that

1054
00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:19,730
the the are the concepts of the thought

1055
00:55:26,590 --> 00:55:23,150
form is that if enough people focus are

1056
00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:26,600
intently on one particular image like

1057
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:28,760
for example the Slenderman even though

1058
00:55:34,750 --> 00:55:30,850
the Slenderman is a fictional creation

1059
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:34,760
under that name and description if

1060
00:55:39,490 --> 00:55:36,920
enough people think about it obsess

1061
00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:39,500
about it dream about it think about it

1062
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:40,670
have nightmares

1063
00:55:44,830 --> 00:55:42,830
it's there focused on it all the time

1064
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:44,840
and this is like tens of thousands of

1065
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:46,130
people perhaps maybe

1066
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:48,430
even more though what happens the

1067
00:55:55,259 --> 00:55:52,220
collective hive mind if you like of the

1068
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,269
human mind can externalize this

1069
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,920
imaginative or imagination driven

1070
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,559
creator of the mind and then externalize

1071
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:02,960
it into the real world when it starts

1072
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:05,049
then to become sort of supernaturally

1073
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:07,880
self-aware so it's almost like giving

1074
00:56:13,450 --> 00:56:10,910
birth but in a very strange fashion to

1075
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:13,460
something which then breaks free of the

1076
00:56:18,970 --> 00:56:17,150
creator and then starts to run wildly in

1077
00:56:21,849 --> 00:56:18,980
the real world but it's been unleashed

1078
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:21,859
by the power of the human imagination

1079
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:25,190
and belief system well and then we have

1080
00:56:32,109 --> 00:56:29,690
the hive mind of the Internet now we're

1081
00:56:36,759 --> 00:56:32,119
now we get into real dangerous territory

1082
00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:36,769
here right and and creepypasta and the

1083
00:56:40,329 --> 00:56:38,750
we're not talking about thousands of

1084
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:40,339
people we're talking about millions of

1085
00:56:48,819 --> 00:56:45,230
people now joining in on this hive mind

1086
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:48,829
and if there is a chance for this to

1087
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,650
become a reality there you go you've got

1088
00:56:56,620 --> 00:56:53,119
the recipe right in front of you

1089
00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:56,630
creepypasta yeah you're right and I

1090
00:57:01,569 --> 00:56:58,970
think the one important thing your paper

1091
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:01,579
said to me well why is it that you know

1092
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,190
sort of earlier fictional bogeyman type

1093
00:57:09,539 --> 00:57:06,319
characters like Freddy Krueger Michael

1094
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,549
Myers and Jason boys why didn't they

1095
00:57:15,999 --> 00:57:12,319
come to life in the same way and I think

1096
00:57:18,249 --> 00:57:16,009
the one main reason is because of the

1097
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:18,259
nature of society back in the eighties

1098
00:57:23,529 --> 00:57:21,650
you know when we were kids in Isis

1099
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:23,539
Nightmare on Elm Street movie or

1100
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:27,710
whatever but what you have now you have

1101
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:30,710
the Internet which allows instant access

1102
00:57:37,690 --> 00:57:33,920
to tens of thousands of pages of

1103
00:57:41,499 --> 00:57:37,700
material on the Slenderman artwork chat

1104
00:57:44,529 --> 00:57:41,509
rooms forums artwork that people you

1105
00:57:47,499 --> 00:57:44,539
know upload it to their websites and

1106
00:57:49,299 --> 00:57:47,509
blogs you've got people writing Kindle

1107
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:49,309
novels and you know in other words it's

1108
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:52,190
in your face if you want it you know all

1109
00:57:58,809 --> 00:57:56,480
the time and that was not the case you

1110
00:57:59,300 --> 00:57:58,819
know 20 years ago you go to the sinner

1111
00:58:01,340 --> 00:57:59,310
and you

1112
00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:01,350
- movie and then the sequel would come

1113
00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:03,360
out a year later and the sequel come out

1114
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:06,840
a year after that and in between you

1115
00:58:11,090 --> 00:58:08,970
forgot about it but today people don't

1116
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:11,100
forget about things like the Slender Man

1117
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:13,770
because it's constantly there and I

1118
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:16,170
think that's why the Slender Man has

1119
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:19,530
really been projected to such a massive

1120
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:21,810
scale I mean give you an example if you

1121
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:24,120
just type the word Slenderman is one

1122
00:58:29,090 --> 00:58:26,730
word into Google you get seven million

1123
00:58:32,660 --> 00:58:29,100
plus results right that gives you some

1124
00:58:35,570 --> 00:58:32,670
idea of the the sheer extent to which

1125
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:35,580
this phenomenon has grown massively and

1126
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:37,950
so I think a lot the Internet has a lot

1127
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:40,410
to do with it and of course there's this

1128
00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:42,510
very controversial theory that the

1129
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:44,100
Slender Man is excuse me that the

1130
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:46,770
Internet itself is becoming self-aware

1131
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:49,530
and may actually be provoking even

1132
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,270
further this sort of obsession and

1133
00:58:59,420 --> 00:58:55,980
manifestation of the Slenderman well and

1134
00:59:04,100 --> 00:58:59,430
then you have for me one of the the

1135
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:04,110
cooler more fun aspects of creepypasta

1136
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:05,760
and some of these characters and stories

1137
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:07,500
that have resulted out of that including

1138
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:09,090
Slender Man which is the most famous is

1139
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:13,410
is the modern twist on what makes people

1140
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:15,270
scared you have all of these little

1141
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:19,910
modern elements of today's life and it's

1142
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:24,090
it's scary it's scary fun stuff to go

1143
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:26,670
and check out because it's written for

1144
00:59:32,420 --> 00:59:30,000
today just like the troll under the

1145
00:59:34,790 --> 00:59:32,430
bridge or the grandma in the woods

1146
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:34,800
that's you know whatever that was

1147
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:38,160
written 300 200 years ago but it was

1148
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:41,030
scary in that day and time today

1149
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:43,770
creepypasta and its approach is with a

1150
00:59:48,740 --> 00:59:46,380
modern twist on what makes people scared

1151
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:48,750
and terrified and that's what I enjoy

1152
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:49,350
the most

1153
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:52,770
it really works it does his job well it

1154
00:59:57,290 --> 00:59:54,090
does I mean you don't have to look at

1155
00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:57,300
for example why I'm sort of you know I

1156
01:00:01,100 --> 00:59:58,980
think like roller coasters are so

1157
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:01,110
popular you know what do people do when

1158
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,460
they get on and they scream their heads

1159
01:00:07,580 --> 01:00:05,040
off that's right no because people enjoy

1160
01:00:10,550 --> 01:00:07,590
but the big differences that's like a

1161
01:00:13,140 --> 01:00:10,560
safe danger you know it's not real

1162
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:13,150
danger and I think a lot of people

1163
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:15,910
got into the Slenderman mystery thinking

1164
01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:17,500
it was just gonna be oh you know this is

1165
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:20,470
a cold story to read on you know

1166
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,049
Halloween or whatever but he doesn't

1167
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:25,119
stay like that it's like it's like a

1168
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:27,970
dark cloud grabs themselves to speak

1169
01:00:33,029 --> 01:00:30,880
almost you know when they've started to

1170
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,039
read about it and they become thinking

1171
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:35,920
about it more and more and so again you

1172
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:38,529
have this situation where the safe

1173
01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:42,130
danger angle is replaced by a real

1174
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:45,160
danger and a real fear of this fictional

1175
01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:48,700
entity come to life and but you know

1176
01:00:52,109 --> 01:00:50,020
it's interesting when you talk about

1177
01:00:54,359 --> 01:00:52,119
these sort of old stories you can find

1178
01:00:55,740 --> 01:00:54,369
them all around the world I mean you

1179
01:00:58,380 --> 01:00:55,750
know it doesn't matter what country

1180
01:01:01,230 --> 01:00:58,390
you're in you'll find kids everywhere

1181
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:01,240
you know frightened of something under

1182
01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:03,250
the bag or something in the closet now

1183
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,380
you know you could literally go to any

1184
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:07,440
country on the planet and find something

1185
01:01:12,210 --> 01:01:10,960
like that but there's no reason for it

1186
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:12,220
it's basically sort of like a

1187
01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:15,640
subconscious archetype buried deep in

1188
01:01:21,779 --> 01:01:18,670
our subconscious in our minds which for

1189
01:01:23,609 --> 01:01:21,789
whatever reason kids are frightened of

1190
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:23,619
something this means something under the

1191
01:01:28,890 --> 01:01:26,470
bed and I think that's kind of the same

1192
01:01:31,049 --> 01:01:28,900
with the Slenderman that if you go back

1193
01:01:33,809 --> 01:01:31,059
in history you can find a lot of other

1194
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:33,819
creepy things like the Slenderman sort

1195
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:37,089
of tall and shadowy and dangerous but

1196
01:01:40,859 --> 01:01:38,710
they were known as the Slenderman but

1197
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:40,869
then but I think again this image

1198
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:44,529
imagery of like a dark suited predatory

1199
01:01:51,750 --> 01:01:48,730
character creates sort of a chilling

1200
01:01:54,839 --> 01:01:51,760
imagery in the minds of most people and

1201
01:01:57,539 --> 01:01:54,849
I think that's why again it's created

1202
01:02:00,240 --> 01:01:57,549
this almost like iconic now creature

1203
01:02:02,730 --> 01:02:00,250
because it resonates with everybody in

1204
01:02:05,099 --> 01:02:02,740
sort of a you know in a disturbing way

1205
01:02:06,779 --> 01:02:05,109
let's take a break right here Nick and

1206
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:06,789
we'll just start discussing the book

1207
01:02:11,609 --> 01:02:09,220
when we come back our guest Nick Redfern

1208
01:02:13,710 --> 01:02:11,619
this is fade to black I'm your host

1209
01:02:16,530 --> 01:02:13,720
Jimmy Church

1210
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:16,540
you can follow me on twitter @jj radio

1211
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you can also follow Nick at Nick Redfern

1212
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UFO it's right there in Twitter we've

1213
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:24,730
already got it posted

1214
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:27,720
fade to black the spoke radio for the

1215
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masses stay with us

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01:05:51,460 --> 01:05:50,480
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across the globe on the game-changer

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:55,910
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1281
01:06:18,090 --> 01:06:02,320
[Applause]

1282
01:06:20,590 --> 01:06:18,100
[Music]

1283
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:20,600
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

1284
01:06:26,250 --> 01:06:23,210
Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter I J

1285
01:06:30,970 --> 01:06:26,260
Church radio also go find me on on

1286
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stellar comm Nick Redfern Nick Redfern

1287
01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:33,950
UFO on Twitter for discussing his book

1288
01:06:38,890 --> 01:06:36,220
I'm gonna hold it up to the cameras here

1289
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:38,900
the Slender Man mystery is an Internet

1290
01:06:44,110 --> 01:06:41,450
urban legend that comes to life it's his

1291
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:44,120
latest book and Nick what I would like

1292
01:06:50,860 --> 01:06:48,110
to do is for those out there that may

1293
01:06:54,940 --> 01:06:50,870
not know what were the origins of

1294
01:06:56,650 --> 01:06:54,950
Slender Man well what we although as I

1295
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:56,660
said you know there were these earlier

1296
01:07:00,700 --> 01:06:58,610
archetypes which you can sort of get

1297
01:07:03,310 --> 01:07:00,710
into but as far as the actual Slenderman

1298
01:07:06,910 --> 01:07:03,320
itself is concerned it was created in

1299
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:06,920
the summer of 2009 by a guy named Eric

1300
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:09,920
Knudsen now Eric Knudsen was one of many

1301
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:12,980
people who took part in a contest at the

1302
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Something Awful website to see who could

1303
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:17,810
come up with sort of the creepiest

1304
01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:20,510
bogeyman type character for the internet

1305
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:23,390
era a lot of people you know put

1306
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:25,850
together their own artwork in images and

1307
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:28,370
Photoshop pictures and there was no sort

1308
01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:30,110
of faking or hoax think it was just a

1309
01:07:33,870 --> 01:07:32,420
genuine contest you know to see who

1310
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:33,880
could come up with an entertaining

1311
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:38,090
entity and the one that really captured

1312
01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:41,450
just about everybody's imagination and

1313
01:07:46,030 --> 01:07:43,640
attention was Eric Knudsen Slender Man

1314
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:46,040
and for people who may not know the

1315
01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:48,470
Slender Man in the artwork looks about

1316
01:07:53,590 --> 01:07:50,630
seven to nine feet tall very skinny

1317
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:53,600
wearing a black suit not unlike the men

1318
01:07:59,380 --> 01:07:56,090
in black white shirt skinny black tie

1319
01:08:00,730 --> 01:07:59,390
and as these octopus type tentacles

1320
01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:00,740
coming out of its back

1321
01:08:05,770 --> 01:08:02,870
and its face he's completely blank

1322
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:05,780
there's no eyes no mouth no nose no he

1323
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:07,700
is just just like a you know just a

1324
01:08:13,570 --> 01:08:11,290
blank face and Eric nerds and

1325
01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:13,580
photoshopped a number of pictures where

1326
01:08:16,900 --> 01:08:15,080
the Slender Man was sort of in the

1327
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:16,910
background lurking where there were

1328
01:08:22,510 --> 01:08:20,140
these groups of kids which sort of

1329
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:22,520
created the image that the Slender Man

1330
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:26,000
was this dangerous predatory entity now

1331
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:29,839
literally within weeks of the Slender

1332
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:30,560
Man for no

1333
01:08:34,829 --> 01:08:34,220
taking off you had chat rooms forums

1334
01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:34,839
online

1335
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:40,100
he had a phenomenally successful show

1336
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:43,010
that was broadcast on YouTube called

1337
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:45,290
Marble Hornets which is a fictional show

1338
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:47,810
each episode lasted about 20 minutes or

1339
01:08:54,370 --> 01:08:51,380
so and it was like a found footage Blair

1340
01:08:57,270 --> 01:08:54,380
which type of thing and and that had a

1341
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:57,280
gigantic following and still does and

1342
01:09:02,530 --> 01:09:00,319
people writing Kindle novels and you

1343
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:02,540
know their own online stories and blogs

1344
01:09:07,270 --> 01:09:04,430
are being set up and it went on like

1345
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:07,280
that for a few months until something

1346
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:10,040
very strange started to happen whereas

1347
01:09:15,309 --> 01:09:12,890
instead of just you know reading about

1348
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,319
the Slender Man online or you know

1349
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:17,630
looking at the artwork or taking part in

1350
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,450
chat rooms in forums people started to

1351
01:09:24,670 --> 01:09:22,880
claim to see the Slender Man in the real

1352
01:09:27,099 --> 01:09:24,680
world like lurking in the woods near

1353
01:09:29,410 --> 01:09:27,109
their homes or they'd wake up in the

1354
01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:29,420
middle of the night semi paralyzed and

1355
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:32,030
able to move and seemed looming over the

1356
01:09:37,570 --> 01:09:35,330
bed and most of these people even know

1357
01:09:39,670 --> 01:09:37,580
if not all of them were absolutely sure

1358
01:09:41,730 --> 01:09:39,680
that these were not bad dreams or

1359
01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:41,740
anything like that but he was really

1360
01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:45,260
there in front of them so this is when

1361
01:09:50,740 --> 01:09:48,020
things change from being just this

1362
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:50,750
fictional creation and a bit of

1363
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:53,780
entertainment to where as we mentioned

1364
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:56,930
with thought-forms suddenly the Slender

1365
01:10:02,440 --> 01:09:59,270
Man strides out of the world of fantasy

1366
01:10:05,380 --> 01:10:02,450
and right into the heart of our reality

1367
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:05,390
and he took really only a few months to

1368
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:07,970
go from you know point A to point Z

1369
01:10:18,190 --> 01:10:12,910
really yeah it went completely viral and

1370
01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:18,200
at that time for I've lost one of my

1371
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:20,630
channels here hang on for a second oh no

1372
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:23,390
what oh there it is his back one at that

1373
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:26,750
time you had things like Silent Hill

1374
01:10:33,790 --> 01:10:30,890
right the video game Resident Evil so

1375
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:33,800
there was a lot of imagery that was

1376
01:10:40,450 --> 01:10:37,120
being projected into that culture and

1377
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:40,460
Slenderman it was like the perfect time

1378
01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,770
for that to come along and like say in

1379
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:45,900
in a couple of months completely viral

1380
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:49,170
all over the place now you've got the

1381
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:52,470
the makings of that internet hive mind

1382
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:55,140
and and the possibility of this

1383
01:11:00,680 --> 01:10:57,210
manifesting itself people are already

1384
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:00,690
getting freaked out you know like I said

1385
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:03,900
by Silent Hill and and some of the other

1386
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:07,650
things that were happening and I I think

1387
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:11,040
that quite possibly these things that

1388
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:13,620
they were seeing these were reports of

1389
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:16,770
real sightings do you think that it was

1390
01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:19,800
the magic of manifesting what what

1391
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:21,630
everybody's greatest fear was and a

1392
01:11:27,620 --> 01:11:25,260
Pandora's Box being opened yeah I mean I

1393
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:27,630
think some people you know just became

1394
01:11:30,980 --> 01:11:29,400
obsessed with the phenomenon and could

1395
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:30,990
not leave it alone and alone and

1396
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:33,570
psychologically began to disturb them

1397
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:36,570
but in saying that when you have a lot

1398
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:38,100
of these people claims have seen the

1399
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,320
Slender Man in the real world I don't

1400
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:42,480
think that's mass hysteria I think we

1401
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:45,060
are really dealing with a thought-form

1402
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:48,420
type situation now one of the reasons

1403
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:52,310
why I think he took off so quickly and

1404
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:54,810
became this sort of dangerous thought

1405
01:11:59,360 --> 01:11:57,510
form is because a lot of these followers

1406
01:12:02,750 --> 01:11:59,370
not all of them but a lot of them were

1407
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:02,760
young kids and teenagers now the big

1408
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:05,670
difference between kids and teenagers

1409
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,100
today when we were kids in teenagers is

1410
01:12:12,380 --> 01:12:10,620
that we would all be always be playing

1411
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:12,390
outside you know on your bike and your

1412
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:14,100
parents are like well just make sure

1413
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:15,900
you're back when the moon sets off the

1414
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:17,310
moon comes up you know what I mean that

1415
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:19,470
kind of thing right and you'll be riding

1416
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:21,300
around on your bike and falling off and

1417
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:23,610
banging your arms and you know whatever

1418
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:25,350
and having a good time with all your

1419
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:27,090
friends a lot of kids today

1420
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:29,100
unfortunately they've got all the

1421
01:12:34,730 --> 01:12:31,800
advanced technology but they're isolated

1422
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:34,740
you know instead of like you know like

1423
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,570
we used to do riding your bikes all

1424
01:12:41,420 --> 01:12:38,880
around town you know five or six of all

1425
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:41,430
your friends and whatever that doesn't

1426
01:12:46,190 --> 01:12:43,530
go on as much anywhere near as much

1427
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:46,200
today so you have a lot of kids isolated

1428
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:48,390
just texting their friends and sending

1429
01:12:54,730 --> 01:12:50,310
Slenderman pictures and you can see how

1430
01:12:57,879 --> 01:12:54,740
this isolation almost can cause

1431
01:13:02,359 --> 01:12:57,889
obsession to increase and I think that

1432
01:13:04,669 --> 01:13:02,369
also had a lot to do with this and as

1433
01:13:07,069 --> 01:13:04,679
you said it really did go viral to the

1434
01:13:11,569 --> 01:13:07,079
point where you know it was a definitive

1435
01:13:13,609 --> 01:13:11,579
phenomenon in no time at all and then

1436
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:13,619
when more and more people claims have

1437
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:16,800
seen it you had more and more stories

1438
01:13:22,939 --> 01:13:20,010
about hey this guy saw this this woman

1439
01:13:25,489 --> 01:13:22,949
saw that this girl saw this and so there

1440
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:25,499
was almost an expectation of seeing it

1441
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:29,489
as well that people expected now to see

1442
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:31,409
it in the real world and that I think

1443
01:13:37,549 --> 01:13:34,380
only amplified the belief systems even

1444
01:13:39,379 --> 01:13:37,559
more so it was kind of like you know a

1445
01:13:41,449 --> 01:13:39,389
stone rolling down the hill he was just

1446
01:13:42,409 --> 01:13:41,459
getting more and more momentum you know

1447
01:13:49,009 --> 01:13:42,419
by the minute

1448
01:13:53,779 --> 01:13:49,019
how did you collect these encounters for

1449
01:13:55,969 --> 01:13:53,789
the book well I mean part of the process

1450
01:13:57,319 --> 01:13:55,979
was I mean obviously you know when there

1451
01:14:00,529 --> 01:13:57,329
was a lot of news stories about the

1452
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:00,539
Slender Man was just to just to do a lot

1453
01:14:07,729 --> 01:14:04,530
of online research and also you know

1454
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:07,739
into magazines and newspapers and and

1455
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:09,630
speaking to people who had also

1456
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,679
previously looked into the Slender Man

1457
01:14:18,379 --> 01:14:16,320
phenomenon when he began back in 2009 I

1458
01:14:19,339 --> 01:14:18,389
interviewed I think there's probably 20

1459
01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:19,349
people in the book I interviewed

1460
01:14:25,609 --> 01:14:23,219
altogether giving their views as well on

1461
01:14:30,469 --> 01:14:25,619
you know witness reports how this could

1462
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:30,479
happen etc etc and I wrote it also a few

1463
01:14:36,799 --> 01:14:32,610
blog posts and articles and that

1464
01:14:38,509 --> 01:14:36,809
provided feedback as well you know when

1465
01:14:40,819 --> 01:14:38,519
you go to conferences and lecture and

1466
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,829
you talk about things like this tape we

1467
01:14:44,299 --> 01:14:42,659
never typically come up to you and share

1468
01:14:47,060 --> 01:14:44,309
stories which is a good thing

1469
01:14:49,939 --> 01:14:47,070
so it was kind of like a combination of

1470
01:14:52,969 --> 01:14:49,949
all this together really sort of and

1471
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:52,979
then waving the story into one big saga

1472
01:15:01,330 --> 01:14:56,400
I guess when was the were you able to

1473
01:15:05,029 --> 01:15:01,340
determine the first Slenderman report

1474
01:15:09,139 --> 01:15:05,039
you mean when when people clients have

1475
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,149
seen in reality yeah in 2009 well I

1476
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:11,280
cannot tell you the

1477
01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:13,770
the exact first one Jimmy but what I can

1478
01:15:19,090 --> 01:15:16,380
tell you for sure is that people were

1479
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:19,100
definitely putting stories online in

1480
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,560
2009 and talking about in some of the

1481
01:15:27,650 --> 01:15:25,320
chat rooms how they said I remember one

1482
01:15:29,930 --> 01:15:27,660
of the early ones in 2009 when a girl

1483
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:29,940
said that she saw us in the bedroom and

1484
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:32,640
he didn't seem like a normal dream she

1485
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:34,770
was like semi awake and could see the

1486
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:37,590
Slenderman and she said it was you know

1487
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:39,600
totally unlike a normal dream and that

1488
01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:41,490
actually provoked I think something like

1489
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:46,260
27 28 comments something like that from

1490
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:48,090
people who were sort of fascinated by

1491
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,850
this and wanted to about 28 had had very

1492
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:53,280
similar experiences as well so he'd

1493
01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:55,740
started to sort of creep out you know

1494
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,300
they said the whole thing began in the

1495
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,560
summer of 2009 it started to creep out

1496
01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:03,120
sort of look towards the latter part of

1497
01:16:08,900 --> 01:16:06,540
2009 better could have been earlier ones

1498
01:16:12,170 --> 01:16:08,910
in the book I talk about some earlier

1499
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:12,180
ones which were clearly almost identical

1500
01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:13,620
to the Slenderman but from other

1501
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,470
countries which you know know the term

1502
01:16:21,890 --> 01:16:18,300
Slenderman didn't even exist for them

1503
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:21,900
back then but under the in in terms of

1504
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:25,110
the Slenderman itself it's it's there's

1505
01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:27,570
no doubt that it was sort of like 2009

1506
01:16:35,230 --> 01:16:30,870
when it went from being just you know a

1507
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:35,240
crater and a contest to something more

1508
01:16:46,660 --> 01:16:41,400
you write about this encounter in 1898

1509
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:46,670
and when I read through that it felt

1510
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:49,980
yeah it felt that's exactly what people

1511
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:54,960
are seeing today is could they be seeing

1512
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:58,170
the manifestation of Slenderman today I

1513
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,380
keep saying manifestation as as if he's

1514
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:03,360
real why I kind of believe that he is

1515
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:07,650
but in that how do I want to say that

1516
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:09,630
it's everything is as real as you want

1517
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:13,170
to make it right so but if we go back to

1518
01:17:17,810 --> 01:17:15,300
the story in 1898 is there the

1519
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:17,820
possibility that the Slender Man of

1520
01:17:25,210 --> 01:17:22,310
today has been around forever and

1521
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:25,220
we've just caused him to come back and

1522
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:28,310
surface yeah I mean that that's a good

1523
01:17:32,740 --> 01:17:30,800
point because throughout many cultures

1524
01:17:35,710 --> 01:17:32,750
you can find things which are almost

1525
01:17:39,370 --> 01:17:35,720
identical for example in Native American

1526
01:17:42,910 --> 01:17:39,380
law you have a creature known as walking

1527
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:42,920
Sam and walking Sam is like an 8 foot

1528
01:17:48,730 --> 01:17:45,530
tall skinny figure wears dark clothes

1529
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:48,740
and he wears like like a top hat like

1530
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:51,490
you know when the old style perhaps from

1531
01:17:58,510 --> 01:17:56,390
centuries ago and in a number of Native

1532
01:18:01,900 --> 01:17:58,520
American reservations just a few years

1533
01:18:04,420 --> 01:18:01,910
ago a number of kids on the reservations

1534
01:18:07,930 --> 01:18:04,430
killed themselves in the name of walking

1535
01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:07,940
Sam now you can go back into Germany

1536
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:10,700
long long time ago and find their

1537
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:12,590
equivalent of the Slenderman which was

1538
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:15,710
known as der Grossmann and under

1539
01:18:20,740 --> 01:18:18,140
Grossman has been incorporated today

1540
01:18:24,460 --> 01:18:20,750
into sort of the the Slenderman mythos

1541
01:18:28,650 --> 01:18:24,470
so to speak and then probably the most

1542
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:28,660
famous example would be the the old kids

1543
01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:32,810
folklore fairy tale of the Pied Piper of

1544
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:35,960
Hamelin which actually you know people

1545
01:18:40,540 --> 01:18:38,330
say oh it's just a story but you often

1546
01:18:42,730 --> 01:18:40,550
find a lot of these folk tales and fairy

1547
01:18:45,490 --> 01:18:42,740
tales you know based on some sort of

1548
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:45,500
reality but the the Pied Piper of

1549
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:49,250
Hamelin Hamlin's a small town in Germany

1550
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,250
and we don't really know how far back

1551
01:18:58,030 --> 01:18:55,040
the story goes but it's at least 500

1552
01:19:01,060 --> 01:18:58,040
years and the story is that one day this

1553
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:01,070
strange tall skinny character came into

1554
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:04,610
the town and offered to help the the

1555
01:19:08,590 --> 01:19:06,410
people of Hamelin to get rid of the

1556
01:19:12,490 --> 01:19:08,600
infestation of rats which had taken over

1557
01:19:14,410 --> 01:19:12,500
the town so the piper takes out this

1558
01:19:17,980 --> 01:19:14,420
pipe and starts to plate it's like a

1559
01:19:19,630 --> 01:19:17,990
supernatural flute and it's hypnotized

1560
01:19:21,940 --> 01:19:19,640
all the rats to follow him out of town

1561
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:21,950
and they all drown in the local river so

1562
01:19:27,220 --> 01:19:24,770
there's no more of a rat infestation the

1563
01:19:30,670 --> 01:19:27,230
the local mayor refuses to pay the piper

1564
01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:30,680
the money that he promised to pay so one

1565
01:19:34,690 --> 01:19:32,630
day the piper decides to get his own

1566
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:34,700
back and when all the parents and the

1567
01:19:37,410 --> 01:19:35,770
adults you know

1568
01:19:39,210 --> 01:19:37,420
local church the kids are playing

1569
01:19:41,550 --> 01:19:39,220
outside and he starts playing the flute

1570
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,560
and he hypnotizes all the kids in the

1571
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:44,800
town to follow him and he reportedly

1572
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,650
takes the kids through this portal in

1573
01:19:51,690 --> 01:19:50,080
the woods and into the mountain the

1574
01:19:53,970 --> 01:19:51,700
nearby mountain literally into it

1575
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:53,980
through a portal so what you have here

1576
01:19:59,610 --> 01:19:56,770
is something almost identical to the

1577
01:20:02,460 --> 01:19:59,620
Slenderman a tall skinny weird-looking

1578
01:20:05,100 --> 01:20:02,470
character who takes over the minds of

1579
01:20:07,650 --> 01:20:05,110
children lures them into the woods and

1580
01:20:10,020 --> 01:20:07,660
then takes them into a portal into its

1581
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:10,030
own world you know that though all of

1582
01:20:15,930 --> 01:20:13,410
those angles turn up in the Slenderman

1583
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:15,940
phenomena and I think when you tie that

1584
01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:19,570
with the German legends The Walking Sam

1585
01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:21,400
one from Native American lore you put

1586
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:23,680
all these together and many others and I

1587
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:25,210
think we are dealing with an ancient

1588
01:20:31,710 --> 01:20:28,330
archetype which over the centuries has

1589
01:20:33,570 --> 01:20:31,720
been identified in different ways and

1590
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,580
with different names and I think with

1591
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:35,920
Eric Knudsen yes he created the Slender

1592
01:20:42,030 --> 01:20:39,730
Man in the 21st century but I sometimes

1593
01:20:44,220 --> 01:20:42,040
wonder if possibly you know deep in the

1594
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:44,230
subconscious of all of us there is this

1595
01:20:50,340 --> 01:20:46,810
image of this creepy character and that

1596
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:50,350
now and again somebody will create a new

1597
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:52,930
version of it thinking that they're the

1598
01:20:56,490 --> 01:20:54,370
one who created it but they're just

1599
01:20:58,860 --> 01:20:56,500
ripping it out of the depths of their

1600
01:21:02,580 --> 01:20:58,870
subconscious really and what about the

1601
01:21:04,710 --> 01:21:02,590
babadook well yeah I mean that that's

1602
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:04,720
that's another example of a perfect

1603
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:07,600
example you know you've got again sort

1604
01:21:12,660 --> 01:21:10,660
of like a predatory dangerous figure I

1605
01:21:15,390 --> 01:21:12,670
mean you'd where it's a Bubba Duke

1606
01:21:17,310 --> 01:21:15,400
Slender Man walking some the men in

1607
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,320
black the black-eyed children-- the

1608
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:19,840
shadow people you know all of these

1609
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,480
things are extremely similar you know

1610
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:25,360
and they invade our dreams and they

1611
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:27,490
they're sort of seen as like a bogeyman

1612
01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:30,210
type character they're all threatening

1613
01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:33,340
intimidating you know they often turn up

1614
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:35,500
in the middle of the night and and

1615
01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:39,280
terrorize people and and I think you

1616
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,200
know you can even make the case perhaps

1617
01:21:44,850 --> 01:21:43,120
some of these things are almost like

1618
01:21:46,830 --> 01:21:44,860
shapeshifters you know they take on

1619
01:21:49,859 --> 01:21:46,840
different forms depending on the culture

1620
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:49,869
and the era and the beliefs of

1621
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:51,520
of the paint love that relevant period

1622
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:55,980
and then you have Rita used to tell me

1623
01:22:01,169 --> 01:21:58,810
over the years going way back before a

1624
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:01,179
slender land our Slender Man slender

1625
01:22:14,010 --> 01:22:10,050
land slender man was funny the Baba Yaga

1626
01:22:16,140 --> 01:22:14,020
have you read about the Baba Yaga I

1627
01:22:20,839 --> 01:22:16,150
don't think so okay there's your next

1628
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:20,849
book the Baba Yaga which this is Russian

1629
01:22:27,260 --> 01:22:25,090
you know is same you know same elements

1630
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:27,270
you know going back hundreds of years

1631
01:22:36,570 --> 01:22:31,449
and Rita used to tell me about how it's

1632
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:36,580
scared and terrified she would be that

1633
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:38,710
everybody had their you know their way

1634
01:22:43,379 --> 01:22:40,690
of telling the story in the others books

1635
01:22:47,790 --> 01:22:43,389
and and so forth in Russia about the

1636
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:47,800
Baba Yaga but all of the elements are in

1637
01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:51,070
play right and it's it's it's really

1638
01:22:56,490 --> 01:22:54,190
really really funny and but used to

1639
01:22:59,850 --> 01:22:56,500
teach lessons but also scare the crap

1640
01:23:01,890 --> 01:22:59,860
out of the kids well yeah and I think

1641
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:01,900
you know that's one of the inadvertent

1642
01:23:06,959 --> 01:23:04,570
parts a lot of people forget that a lot

1643
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:06,969
of these folk tales and fairy tales were

1644
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:10,210
designed to you know to frighten kids as

1645
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:12,730
a means to stop them wandering off you

1646
01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:14,560
know five hundred years ago into the

1647
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:16,060
woods and they're never seen again

1648
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:18,310
and I think what's happened in a lot of

1649
01:23:24,660 --> 01:23:22,510
those old stories you know they paid

1650
01:23:26,189 --> 01:23:24,670
kids imaginations particularly you know

1651
01:23:28,919 --> 01:23:26,199
when your imagination is really firing

1652
01:23:30,689 --> 01:23:28,929
up when you're sort of four or five kids

1653
01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:30,699
remember that kind of thing when they

1654
01:23:34,649 --> 01:23:32,409
when they're told it is kids and they

1655
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,659
believe it you know it's like this sense

1656
01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:36,880
of wonder which we kind of lose a little

1657
01:23:42,209 --> 01:23:39,550
bit as we get older so I think you know

1658
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:42,219
the strength of these fairy tales and

1659
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:46,570
folk tales again kind of provokes a

1660
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:48,460
sense that this isn't just a story that

1661
01:23:53,459 --> 01:23:50,440
there's a reality to it and then and

1662
01:23:56,339 --> 01:23:53,469
then again you you then on the verge of

1663
01:23:59,310 --> 01:23:56,349
that dangerous territory of creating a

1664
01:24:01,800 --> 01:23:59,320
thought-form which becomes independence

1665
01:24:03,209 --> 01:24:01,810
and starts to run around in the real

1666
01:24:06,419 --> 01:24:03,219
world

1667
01:24:08,759 --> 01:24:06,429
how going back to the book and we're

1668
01:24:12,060 --> 01:24:08,769
gonna head towards a break here in just

1669
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:12,070
a second is through your interviews in

1670
01:24:19,589 --> 01:24:16,719
your research geographically was Slender

1671
01:24:24,930 --> 01:24:19,599
Man centered around certain cities

1672
01:24:27,089 --> 01:24:24,940
certain states certain countries that's

1673
01:24:29,399 --> 01:24:27,099
that's a good question it's actually

1674
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,409
quite difficult to say because you know

1675
01:24:33,330 --> 01:24:31,360
when this when this whole thing kicked

1676
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:33,340
off you know it was an American

1677
01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:35,590
phenomenon you know he was created in

1678
01:24:38,939 --> 01:24:38,440
America and in the English language as

1679
01:24:44,969 --> 01:24:38,949
well

1680
01:24:46,290 --> 01:24:44,979
so I think you know the the I guess if

1681
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:46,300
you're looking from the perspective of

1682
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:48,150
common sense you know the

1683
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,170
english-speaking language part of the

1684
01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:52,960
world again a peak upon it first but I

1685
01:24:58,109 --> 01:24:55,420
mean I've got reports which I talked

1686
01:25:04,109 --> 01:24:58,119
about in the book from New Zealand from

1687
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:04,119
the UK from the u.s. from Germany I've

1688
01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:06,070
actually got one which has come since

1689
01:25:11,629 --> 01:25:07,960
the book was published from Puerto Rico

1690
01:25:15,450 --> 01:25:11,639
so you know again I think it's a case of

1691
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:15,460
not so much whether or not the phenomena

1692
01:25:19,799 --> 01:25:17,590
is growing elsewhere it's just the

1693
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:19,809
extent to which people you know who's

1694
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:22,210
picking it up first you know but really

1695
01:25:26,219 --> 01:25:24,159
certainly spreading there's no doubt

1696
01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:26,229
about that and of course in just a

1697
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:29,409
couple of months there's a major movie

1698
01:25:34,290 --> 01:25:32,050
cinema movie coming out on the

1699
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:34,300
Slenderman so you know I'll be

1700
01:25:40,259 --> 01:25:36,130
interesting to see if that sort of

1701
01:25:46,259 --> 01:25:40,269
impacts on uncited as well should we be

1702
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,269
afraid well we shouldn't be afraid

1703
01:25:50,489 --> 01:25:48,639
because I think that just sort of plays

1704
01:25:53,069 --> 01:25:50,499
into it even further

1705
01:25:56,180 --> 01:25:53,079
you know these high states of emotion

1706
01:25:59,520 --> 01:25:56,190
and believing in these things only

1707
01:26:02,609 --> 01:25:59,530
increases their ability to operate in

1708
01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:02,619
our world but I guess but particularly

1709
01:26:07,770 --> 01:26:05,320
for you know kids and so on it's hard

1710
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:07,780
it's you know it's hard for them not to

1711
01:26:10,770 --> 01:26:09,610
be frightened of it you know it's kind

1712
01:26:13,469 --> 01:26:10,780
of like they read all these stories

1713
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:13,479
about this dangerous and to see the

1714
01:26:17,740 --> 01:26:16,250
Slenderman then then

1715
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:17,750
going to be able to think of it as like

1716
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:19,610
a friendly creature there's just no way

1717
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:21,890
to do that and of course you know

1718
01:26:27,070 --> 01:26:24,800
telling them won't don't think about it

1719
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:27,080
you know that that just doesn't work you

1720
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:29,330
cannot say to someone stop thinking

1721
01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:31,250
about the Slenderman because you say

1722
01:26:34,090 --> 01:26:32,630
that well the first thing someone's

1723
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,100
going to think about is the Slenderman

1724
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:37,040
it's almost impossible to stop thinking

1725
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:38,480
about it and that's one of the problems

1726
01:26:44,980 --> 01:26:42,170
is that it's in people's minds all the

1727
01:26:47,650 --> 01:26:44,990
time and and a lot of it is driven by

1728
01:26:49,630 --> 01:26:47,660
fear and that's why it's constantly

1729
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:49,640
there so we shouldn't be frightened of

1730
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,250
it but I can understand why a lot of

1731
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:54,320
faith we've been sucked into it are

1732
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,010
frightened by it well I know okay so we

1733
01:27:05,500 --> 01:27:00,400
shouldn't be afraid but what about

1734
01:27:07,930 --> 01:27:05,510
concerned should we be concerned well we

1735
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:07,940
should be concerned I mean probably the

1736
01:27:15,820 --> 01:27:12,170
primary reason being how many attacks

1737
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:15,830
and in one case of fatal attack that

1738
01:27:21,790 --> 01:27:18,770
they've been on people undertaken either

1739
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,800
in the name of the Slenderman or by

1740
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:23,920
people who were by their own admittance

1741
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:27,130
obsessed by the Slenderman so I think

1742
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:29,810
you know we have the paranormal angle

1743
01:27:35,020 --> 01:27:32,210
the thought-form angle but we also have

1744
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,030
people who've descended into states of

1745
01:27:40,270 --> 01:27:37,520
mind where they've totally blurred the

1746
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:40,280
lines between reality and fiction and

1747
01:27:45,340 --> 01:27:42,290
cannot distinguish between the two and

1748
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:45,350
they've gone on basically you know sort

1749
01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:47,210
of rampages that's the only way to

1750
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:50,600
describe it so we should be concerned

1751
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:54,290
about how vulnerable people can be you

1752
01:28:00,010 --> 01:27:57,770
know and can be sucked into them just a

1753
01:28:02,110 --> 01:28:00,020
psychological sight never mind just the

1754
01:28:04,750 --> 01:28:02,120
the paranormal angle yeah well if

1755
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:04,760
somebody's going to get obsessed on

1756
01:28:08,530 --> 01:28:07,130
something then they're gonna get

1757
01:28:11,230 --> 01:28:08,540
obsessed it doesn't matter if it's

1758
01:28:13,390 --> 01:28:11,240
Slenderman or if it's oranges right it

1759
01:28:15,490 --> 01:28:13,400
just doesn't matter they're they're

1760
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:15,500
susceptible to that but there's the

1761
01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:18,800
other part of Slenderman which is an

1762
01:28:26,740 --> 01:28:23,420
obsession with an addiction that can't

1763
01:28:29,740 --> 01:28:26,750
be helped right and they just want to

1764
01:28:32,170 --> 01:28:29,750
continue forward into it

1765
01:28:33,850 --> 01:28:32,180
and that is where I think we should be

1766
01:28:38,410 --> 01:28:33,860
concerned because there's something like

1767
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:38,420
is activated in our DNA that causes like

1768
01:28:44,290 --> 01:28:42,050
what happened in Wisconsin yeah well I

1769
01:28:47,140 --> 01:28:44,300
mean in a strange way it's almost like

1770
01:28:49,390 --> 01:28:47,150
what's known as Stockholm Syndrome which

1771
01:28:51,670 --> 01:28:49,400
is this situation where if somebody's

1772
01:28:54,910 --> 01:28:51,680
kidnapped and they're held long enough

1773
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:54,920
by the kidnappers they start to resonate

1774
01:28:59,620 --> 01:28:57,920
with and gravitate to the kidnappers

1775
01:29:01,960 --> 01:28:59,630
they sort of develop an affinity with

1776
01:29:04,530 --> 01:29:01,970
them even though they he kidnapped them

1777
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:04,540
and it's a very strange phenomenon

1778
01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:06,530
Stockholm Syndrome but that's what

1779
01:29:10,180 --> 01:29:08,540
happens and there's no doubt that's

1780
01:29:12,430 --> 01:29:10,190
happening with some people with the

1781
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:12,440
Slenderman that they're terrified by it

1782
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,120
but they fail also drawn towards it as

1783
01:29:22,540 --> 01:29:19,520
well and the more drawn towards if they

1784
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,550
fail the greatest sort of an affinity

1785
01:29:28,090 --> 01:29:24,800
they have with it and they feel that

1786
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:28,100
it's you know it's something that

1787
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:30,560
relates to them as well and which is

1788
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:33,290
again like a dangerous angle where they

1789
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:36,890
get closer to the Slenderman and fail

1790
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:38,960
that's he's the only one who understands

1791
01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:40,730
them that kind of thing you know and

1792
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:43,430
that's when you really sort of cross the

1793
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:46,880
line I guess yeah I would I I did that

1794
01:29:54,940 --> 01:29:51,920
with creepypasta and I would know two

1795
01:29:58,270 --> 01:29:54,950
minutes into the story if I was going to

1796
01:30:00,280 --> 01:29:58,280
get hooked right and then and then I

1797
01:30:03,250 --> 01:30:00,290
would go out and get to get into another

1798
01:30:08,100 --> 01:30:03,260
story but the point is I was elevating

1799
01:30:11,050 --> 01:30:08,110
the fear right you know you gotta get

1800
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:11,060
the the way that these modern writers

1801
01:30:17,650 --> 01:30:13,970
are creating this stuff some of it is

1802
01:30:20,110 --> 01:30:17,660
really really scary and you just you

1803
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:20,120
know your expectations and you're trying

1804
01:30:24,670 --> 01:30:22,970
to get that adrenaline rush back and so

1805
01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:24,680
you have to push it forward and push it

1806
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:26,270
forward and I think that's where the

1807
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:28,490
danger is certainly when it comes to

1808
01:30:34,510 --> 01:30:32,480
Slenderman yeah you're right you think

1809
01:30:37,090 --> 01:30:34,520
about you put all those issues we've

1810
01:30:40,930 --> 01:30:37,100
spoken about so far together all into

1811
01:30:43,450 --> 01:30:40,940
one sort of mixed bag so to speak then

1812
01:30:46,330 --> 01:30:43,460
you can realize and understand how

1813
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:46,340
something has happened that we've never

1814
01:30:51,820 --> 01:30:49,250
really experienced in history before you

1815
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:51,830
know with all the angles of the online

1816
01:30:58,630 --> 01:30:55,280
presence the movies you know the Marble

1817
01:31:02,350 --> 01:30:58,640
Hornets you know just about everything

1818
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:02,360
you put it all together and we've got

1819
01:31:08,260 --> 01:31:04,250
we're in sort of to degree we've sort of

1820
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:08,270
like uncharted waters in terms of trying

1821
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:11,210
to figure out how far this phenomenon

1822
01:31:16,510 --> 01:31:13,970
which began is just a fictional event

1823
01:31:21,190 --> 01:31:16,520
you know how far is it actually gonna go

1824
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:21,200
you know yeah I remember on the

1825
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:23,840
Something Awful forum and you start to

1826
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:26,480
look at some of this Photoshop work you

1827
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:29,600
know what people considered scary and

1828
01:31:34,270 --> 01:31:32,270
very talented right and you sit and

1829
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,280
you're looking at these illustrations

1830
01:31:39,550 --> 01:31:36,080
and you're like man where is this coming

1831
01:31:41,860 --> 01:31:39,560
from it's really good it's it's amazing

1832
01:31:45,250 --> 01:31:41,870
but it's got that modern element of

1833
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:45,260
Terror to it and I could understand

1834
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:47,690
where this would start to manifest

1835
01:31:52,180 --> 01:31:49,850
because you get drawn into these images

1836
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:52,190
you start staring at them and they're

1837
01:31:57,820 --> 01:31:55,120
they're burned into your your eyeballs

1838
01:32:00,130 --> 01:31:57,830
yeah you're right and again as I said

1839
01:32:02,140 --> 01:32:00,140
them the most intriguing but also

1840
01:32:04,930 --> 01:32:02,150
disturbing aspects of this is that you

1841
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:04,940
don't find this with you know pictures

1842
01:32:08,770 --> 01:32:07,370
and stories on the internet about the

1843
01:32:10,420 --> 01:32:08,780
man in black or the black eyed children

1844
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:10,430
you know those stories are all there

1845
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:13,370
right but he doesn't grip people though

1846
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:15,170
they don't grip people in the same way

1847
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:17,330
that the Slender Man does and that

1848
01:32:22,450 --> 01:32:20,210
that's what makes it almost unique but

1849
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:22,460
in a bad way in a disturbing way that

1850
01:32:26,650 --> 01:32:24,410
there are no other fictional entities

1851
01:32:29,290 --> 01:32:26,660
really that have been sort of semi

1852
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:29,300
brought to life if you like that have

1853
01:32:34,210 --> 01:32:32,690
the impact and the effect that the

1854
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:34,220
Slender Man does and we still don't

1855
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:37,250
really know why does with the Slender

1856
01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:38,930
Man and white doesn't with the shadow

1857
01:32:45,490 --> 01:32:40,760
people why doesn't the black-eyed kids

1858
01:32:48,810 --> 01:32:45,500
you know so so there's something going

1859
01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:48,820
on that he's really you know kind of

1860
01:32:53,530 --> 01:32:51,380
hauling something out of you know the

1861
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:53,540
minds of these people that is that he's

1862
01:32:57,130 --> 01:32:56,090
driving them to this phenomenon more and

1863
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more let's take

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break right here I want you to consider

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what you just said because I want to

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continue that thought right after the

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break our guest tonight Nick Redfern the

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book the Slender Man mysteries I'm Errol

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all right welcome back fade to black I

1938
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am your host Jimmy Church our guest

1939
01:37:21,450 --> 01:37:19,120
tonight Nick Redfern talking about his

1940
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new book the Slenderman mysteries and

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Internet urban legend comes to life

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Twitter now Nick right before the break

1945
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we were talking about what could be the

1946
01:37:47,730 --> 01:37:42,330
trigger what is it that is causing this

1947
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:47,740
this addiction to Slenderman and I mean

1948
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:50,650
could something it could it be our DNA

1949
01:37:54,900 --> 01:37:52,000
could it be something that is just

1950
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waiting to be you know ignited inside of

1951
01:38:00,720 --> 01:37:57,730
our brain some chemical and the

1952
01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:00,730
Slenderman story is just the right that

1953
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you know the right recipe to kick this

1954
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off where people cannot resist well I

1955
01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:09,670
think part of it at least just come from

1956
01:38:14,850 --> 01:38:11,110
what we mentioned early you know that

1957
01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:14,860
kind of fun fear that people have you

1958
01:38:19,590 --> 01:38:16,900
know when like like I said like roller

1959
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:19,600
coasters you know what watching a horror

1960
01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:24,250
movie you know you you jump at the you

1961
01:38:29,820 --> 01:38:26,020
know the scary points and then you laugh

1962
01:38:33,480 --> 01:38:29,830
because it's like a safe danger so to

1963
01:38:37,050 --> 01:38:33,490
speak and I think a lot of people kind

1964
01:38:40,380 --> 01:38:37,060
of got into it excited by this creepy

1965
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:40,390
character and the stories but they then

1966
01:38:46,950 --> 01:38:43,090
found themselves sucked into it even

1967
01:38:50,940 --> 01:38:46,960
more so I think you know in terms of

1968
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:50,950
this in terms of this whole angle of how

1969
01:38:56,580 --> 01:38:54,760
it's gone like that you know that that's

1970
01:38:58,980 --> 01:38:56,590
that's certainly part of it but I think

1971
01:39:01,050 --> 01:38:58,990
also you know when you're talking about

1972
01:39:03,180 --> 01:39:01,060
people becoming obsessed and so on I

1973
01:39:05,220 --> 01:39:03,190
think there's there's more to it than

1974
01:39:08,070 --> 01:39:05,230
that it's sort of I wouldn't even say

1975
01:39:11,070 --> 01:39:08,080
it's like a subtle it's almost without

1976
01:39:14,370 --> 01:39:11,080
knowing that people do get dragged into

1977
01:39:16,410 --> 01:39:14,380
this further and when it starts to take

1978
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:16,420
over their lives as he has in some

1979
01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:18,250
people in people's lives where they felt

1980
01:39:23,150 --> 01:39:20,950
dictated you know by the slenderman's

1981
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the phenomenon

1982
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:26,760
so I think I think a lot of it is based

1983
01:39:33,290 --> 01:39:29,850
around the you know the mindset over the

1984
01:39:36,860 --> 01:39:33,300
person you know that that's going to

1985
01:39:38,630 --> 01:39:36,870
have regardless of how involved the

1986
01:39:40,670 --> 01:39:38,640
person is or isn't in the slender and

1987
01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:40,680
phenomenon when they do get involved in

1988
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:43,860
it if their mind is one that's easily

1989
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sort of manipulated the rest of the week

1990
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world or they're looking for some

1991
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:51,270
excitement in their life you know in a

1992
01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:53,400
worst case possible you know that's when

1993
01:40:00,250 --> 01:39:55,200
the Slender Man kind of wins you know

1994
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:00,260
well we have the much-publicized

1995
01:40:07,940 --> 01:40:04,320
2014 incident in markeesha Wisconsin

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01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:07,950
that that grabbed everybody because

1997
01:40:13,610 --> 01:40:11,000
you've got two 12 year old girls luring

1998
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:13,620
somebody else from the neighborhood they

1999
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:19,290
need to make Slenderman happy alright

2000
01:40:24,440 --> 01:40:22,110
and and I don't know how many times they

2001
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:24,450
stabbed or I think both both of the

2002
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:27,450
girls were just aren't they there like

2003
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:29,970
in mental institutions now right they've

2004
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:32,610
been hospitalized they they work weren't

2005
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:35,130
sent to prison but I mean for a very

2006
01:40:39,620 --> 01:40:37,440
long time I thirty years each or

2007
01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:39,630
something I if I if I remember correctly

2008
01:40:45,890 --> 01:40:42,540
but that's what that's what grabbed the

2009
01:40:50,150 --> 01:40:45,900
headlines but right after that a month

2010
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:50,160
later in Ohio there's another case there

2011
01:40:54,500 --> 01:40:53,760
just as as tragic as what happened in

2012
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,510
markeesha

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01:40:59,690 --> 01:40:56,880
but that didn't hit the headlines tell

2014
01:41:00,820 --> 01:40:59,700
us about that well yeah I mean this is

2015
01:41:04,190 --> 01:41:00,830
the interesting thing

2016
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:04,200
up until well when the attacks occurred

2017
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:06,690
in Waukesha Wisconsin in May 2012 up

2018
01:41:14,450 --> 01:41:11,840
until then nobody really had any sort of

2019
01:41:16,370 --> 01:41:14,460
understanding or even knowledge you know

2020
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:16,380
of the Slender Man even though there's a

2021
01:41:21,050 --> 01:41:18,690
you had a huge following if you weren't

2022
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:21,060
into it you really didn't know about it

2023
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:24,050
but the you know the the fact is that

2024
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:27,840
when everything sort of took off big

2025
01:41:31,010 --> 01:41:28,530
time

2026
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:31,020
in 2014 you know when you had this

2027
01:41:36,350 --> 01:41:34,440
attack not just thinking in Wisconsin or

2028
01:41:36,689 --> 01:41:36,360
even the United States but across the

2029
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:36,699
world

2030
01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:39,010
certainly it all heard of the Slenderman

2031
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:43,320
and certainly the the May 2014 attack

2032
01:41:50,669 --> 01:41:48,130
you know was the the one thing that sort

2033
01:41:52,379 --> 01:41:50,679
of you know exposed everybody to the

2034
01:41:56,489 --> 01:41:52,389
Slenderman phenomenon are you quite

2035
01:41:58,379 --> 01:41:56,499
right that the were follow-up cases for

2036
01:42:02,160 --> 01:41:58,389
example scuse me

2037
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:02,170
there was one which occurred as you

2038
01:42:06,509 --> 01:42:04,630
mentioned in Ohio this was just very

2039
01:42:09,569 --> 01:42:06,519
very shortly afterwards and he

2040
01:42:13,229 --> 01:42:09,579
demonstrates again this situation of

2041
01:42:15,839 --> 01:42:13,239
young kids you know sort of doing things

2042
01:42:19,529 --> 01:42:15,849
you know that that you wouldn't normally

2043
01:42:22,589 --> 01:42:19,539
do and but this is exactly what happened

2044
01:42:26,250 --> 01:42:22,599
and well it's actually several cases in

2045
01:42:29,009 --> 01:42:26,260
one a mother actually was attacked by

2046
01:42:31,049 --> 01:42:29,019
her daughter was literally waiting for

2047
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:31,059
when she got home she's wearing like

2048
01:42:36,779 --> 01:42:33,119
what was described as a death mask and

2049
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:36,789
carrying a knife and stabbed her mother

2050
01:42:42,299 --> 01:42:39,610
attacked her mother who fortunately was

2051
01:42:43,879 --> 01:42:42,309
wasn't sort of badly injured but

2052
01:42:47,009 --> 01:42:43,889
nevertheless you know it really

2053
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,019
demonstrated the the ways and means by

2054
01:42:52,199 --> 01:42:49,840
which this was this phenomenon was

2055
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:52,209
growing and then there was another case

2056
01:42:59,069 --> 01:42:56,170
where for example Wow like let me jump

2057
01:43:02,359 --> 01:42:59,079
in the the daughter that stabbed her mom

2058
01:43:06,540 --> 01:43:02,369
in Ohio completely obsessed with

2059
01:43:09,209 --> 01:43:06,550
Slenderman yeah she had a journal where

2060
01:43:11,009 --> 01:43:09,219
she wrote about the Slenderman and sort

2061
01:43:15,359 --> 01:43:11,019
of you know

2062
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:15,369
related to him and felt that he was the

2063
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:17,199
only one who could kind of understand

2064
01:43:21,149 --> 01:43:18,639
what was going on and there were all

2065
01:43:23,549 --> 01:43:21,159
these references in this journal and

2066
01:43:26,370 --> 01:43:23,559
that's something that happened you know

2067
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:26,380
with with the girls in in Waukesha they

2068
01:43:32,129 --> 01:43:29,440
too with felt you know felt drawn to the

2069
01:43:33,959 --> 01:43:32,139
whole Slenderman phenomenon and came to

2070
01:43:36,270 --> 01:43:33,969
believe you know that he they were in

2071
01:43:40,169 --> 01:43:36,280
touch with you and they had stabbed

2072
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:40,179
their friend you know in the name of the

2073
01:43:47,459 --> 01:43:42,880
Slenderman and so you know that that's a

2074
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:47,469
another example there was also a third

2075
01:43:52,140 --> 01:43:49,690
case for example

2076
01:43:56,010 --> 01:43:52,150
we're a mother in Florida in Pasco

2077
01:43:58,050 --> 01:43:56,020
Florida mother and son just managed to

2078
01:44:01,260 --> 01:43:58,060
escape from their home when they when

2079
01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:01,270
the mother's daughter set the house on

2080
01:44:07,380 --> 01:44:04,510
fire and she too was obsessed with the

2081
01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:07,390
Slenderman so you know we're not talking

2082
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,820
about kids you know just sulking in the

2083
01:44:14,580 --> 01:44:12,400
bedroom and wanting to read about the

2084
01:44:16,770 --> 01:44:14,590
Slenderman instead of coming out down to

2085
01:44:19,020 --> 01:44:16,780
eat dinner you know it we're actually

2086
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:19,030
talking about you know parents being

2087
01:44:25,230 --> 01:44:21,280
attacked with knives you know an

2088
01:44:27,270 --> 01:44:25,240
attempted murder of a young girl and you

2089
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:27,280
know house being burned down to the

2090
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:31,270
ground you know this is not sort of

2091
01:44:36,780 --> 01:44:34,090
natural behavior but now what I would

2092
01:44:38,610 --> 01:44:36,790
say what something that a lot of people

2093
01:44:42,450 --> 01:44:38,620
don't know and was never brought up in

2094
01:44:45,060 --> 01:44:42,460
the court cases is that Waukesha where

2095
01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:45,070
be the most infamous attack occurred

2096
01:44:50,340 --> 01:44:47,830
when the two girls sat their former

2097
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,350
friend a lot of people don't realize

2098
01:44:55,410 --> 01:44:52,960
that there's there pre-existing stories

2099
01:44:58,380 --> 01:44:55,420
of Slenderman type creatures in that

2100
01:45:00,240 --> 01:44:58,390
area what actually goes back to 1921

2101
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:00,250
which I talked about in the book when

2102
01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:02,770
the body of a young boy was found in a

2103
01:45:09,030 --> 01:45:07,390
local pool in just on the fringes of

2104
01:45:12,060 --> 01:45:09,040
Waukesha now literally only a couple of

2105
01:45:16,140 --> 01:45:12,070
miles from where the attack in 2014

2106
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:16,150
went ahead now my psychic looked into

2107
01:45:21,330 --> 01:45:18,970
this murder and said that she could see

2108
01:45:24,780 --> 01:45:21,340
this tall thin man in a black suit

2109
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:24,790
carrying this unfortunate little boy's

2110
01:45:31,410 --> 01:45:27,010
body through the book through the woods

2111
01:45:32,940 --> 01:45:31,420
now this case was 1921 now one of the

2112
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:32,950
people I interviewed for the book was a

2113
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:37,090
guy named Mike Huberty and Mike had an

2114
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:39,370
encounter with a Slenderman type

2115
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:43,570
character in the woods of Waukesha just

2116
01:45:48,150 --> 01:45:45,970
a couple of miles from where the 2014

2117
01:45:50,460 --> 01:45:48,160
attack occurred but Mike's encounter

2118
01:45:53,970 --> 01:45:50,470
occurred in the mid-1990s and he saw

2119
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:53,980
this tall shadowy skinny figure looming

2120
01:46:00,860 --> 01:45:57,370
in the woods so in other words you have

2121
01:46:02,970 --> 01:46:00,870
this bizarre and little-known history of

2122
01:46:06,780 --> 01:46:02,980
attacks in that area

2123
01:46:11,340 --> 01:46:06,790
which predate the attacks of the two

2124
01:46:13,290 --> 01:46:11,350
girls not by years but by decades and a

2125
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:13,300
lot of other weird stuff in Waukesha as

2126
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:16,210
well which sort of again sort of rise

2127
01:46:23,370 --> 01:46:20,080
your brings to the fore easier case that

2128
01:46:25,950 --> 01:46:23,380
you know the girls attacked of their own

2129
01:46:28,380 --> 01:46:25,960
volition or should we look at the bigger

2130
01:46:30,420 --> 01:46:28,390
picture of these other cases as well

2131
01:46:32,190 --> 01:46:30,430
that occurred in that area but that was

2132
01:46:37,470 --> 01:46:32,200
never brought up you know in the trial

2133
01:46:42,330 --> 01:46:37,480
in any way at all I grew up there in

2134
01:46:45,450 --> 01:46:42,340
that area and that's part of my interest

2135
01:46:49,530 --> 01:46:45,460
in into all of this is because you know

2136
01:46:51,210 --> 01:46:49,540
wha Keisha what can walk Keisha is is

2137
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:51,220
something that you speak about a lot

2138
01:46:57,630 --> 01:46:53,170
growing up and when I heard about this

2139
01:47:00,420 --> 01:46:57,640
case and I think about the the but the

2140
01:47:02,490 --> 01:47:00,430
part of America that this is this this

2141
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:02,500
could happen anywhere if it's happening

2142
01:47:06,930 --> 01:47:05,290
happening in Waukesha and that's what

2143
01:47:09,540 --> 01:47:06,940
that's what freaked me out I mean it's

2144
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:09,550
such a beautiful part of the world and

2145
01:47:15,450 --> 01:47:13,410
the other thing for me like these two

2146
01:47:17,370 --> 01:47:15,460
two little girls you know they were

2147
01:47:19,170 --> 01:47:17,380
twelve years old each and these

2148
01:47:22,140 --> 01:47:19,180
incidents now are starting to happen

2149
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:22,150
around the country that could there be

2150
01:47:25,740 --> 01:47:24,010
and this is where I think we should

2151
01:47:28,670 --> 01:47:25,750
start to be concerned could there

2152
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:28,680
actually be like a Slenderman defense

2153
01:47:36,210 --> 01:47:33,250
right in the court system well you know

2154
01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:36,220
I mean a lot of debate went on you know

2155
01:47:43,530 --> 01:47:39,190
as to the state of the minds of the two

2156
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:43,540
girls and you know when you look at it

2157
01:47:48,690 --> 01:47:45,730
it was clear that they were not sort of

2158
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:48,700
angling you know for an insanity plea to

2159
01:47:54,090 --> 01:47:50,770
get released early they fully believed

2160
01:47:56,900 --> 01:47:54,100
in the existence of the Slenderman they

2161
01:48:00,030 --> 01:47:56,910
felt or they feared that if they did not

2162
01:48:03,390 --> 01:48:00,040
sacrifice literally sacrifice their

2163
01:48:05,790 --> 01:48:03,400
former friend to the Slenderman that he

2164
01:48:07,890 --> 01:48:05,800
would come after their families and so

2165
01:48:12,420 --> 01:48:07,900
that's why they were driven to do that

2166
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:12,430
and they when they stabbed Payton loot

2167
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,690
and that was the girl who got stabbed

2168
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:15,920
she was stabbed 19 times and

2169
01:48:20,260 --> 01:48:17,930
she survived and she's made a full

2170
01:48:23,890 --> 01:48:20,270
recovery physically and psychologically

2171
01:48:26,350 --> 01:48:23,900
she's she's fine now but the the two

2172
01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:26,360
girls fled the area this area of park

2173
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:29,110
where a local park where she was stabbed

2174
01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:32,090
the police soon picked them up because

2175
01:48:35,740 --> 01:48:33,650
they were walking along the side of the

2176
01:48:37,930 --> 01:48:35,750
highway heading off to a large area

2177
01:48:40,180 --> 01:48:37,940
forest land where they fully believe the

2178
01:48:41,710 --> 01:48:40,190
Slenderman had this sort of creepy old

2179
01:48:44,140 --> 01:48:41,720
mansion and they were going to live with

2180
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:44,150
him they fully believed and bought into

2181
01:48:50,350 --> 01:48:47,840
all this now interestingly the mother of

2182
01:48:54,130 --> 01:48:50,360
one of the girls said that she'd seen

2183
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:54,140
that the daughter had seen a Slenderman

2184
01:49:00,300 --> 01:48:57,770
type thing years before which again

2185
01:49:04,230 --> 01:49:00,310
opens like another aspect of the story

2186
01:49:07,450 --> 01:49:04,240
so you know that there wasn't sort of a

2187
01:49:10,540 --> 01:49:07,460
plan if you like to have a Slenderman

2188
01:49:13,090 --> 01:49:10,550
defense that was never part of it but he

2189
01:49:16,150 --> 01:49:13,100
clearly came out in the court that this

2190
01:49:18,370 --> 01:49:16,160
was not you know just a ploy to try and

2191
01:49:21,340 --> 01:49:18,380
get her off with a an insanity plea

2192
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:21,350
rather and murder plea they really

2193
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:23,570
bought into it and the court realized

2194
01:49:29,050 --> 01:49:25,610
you know that the place for them was not

2195
01:49:32,110 --> 01:49:29,060
jail but was you know hospital and they

2196
01:49:33,700 --> 01:49:32,120
will be you know as you said they'll be

2197
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,710
there a long time they'll be well into

2198
01:49:38,110 --> 01:49:36,080
middle age before either of them were

2199
01:49:40,480 --> 01:49:38,120
ever released now they're they're

2200
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:40,490
getting ready to do a major studio

2201
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:45,770
release on the Slenderman and is are we

2202
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:49,910
again in in a little bit of danger world

2203
01:49:56,620 --> 01:49:54,800
by doing this when you know wha Keisha

2204
01:49:59,230 --> 01:49:56,630
and other incidents have happened around

2205
01:50:03,190 --> 01:49:59,240
the country the the phenomenon continues

2206
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:03,200
on the internet and shouldn't there be

2207
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,040
some kind of caution here about what

2208
01:50:10,780 --> 01:50:09,440
could happen because of Slenderman and

2209
01:50:13,540 --> 01:50:10,790
now we're gonna come out with a movie

2210
01:50:17,230 --> 01:50:13,550
I'm gonna see the movie for sure but

2211
01:50:19,780 --> 01:50:17,240
what if another incident happens well

2212
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:19,790
you know I mean I guess there's two ways

2213
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:22,490
of looking at it is that if we bring it

2214
01:50:28,540 --> 01:50:26,330
to attention then you know in terms of

2215
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:28,550
the idea of it coming to life and

2216
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:31,730
further you know he's that going to make

2217
01:50:37,690 --> 01:50:34,970
people think about it more or should we

2218
01:50:40,930 --> 01:50:37,700
say nothing and then in that case it

2219
01:50:43,420 --> 01:50:40,940
might lessen the impact you know it's

2220
01:50:47,410 --> 01:50:43,430
sort of like it's difficult to sort of

2221
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:47,420
say because you don't want to be painful

2222
01:50:52,810 --> 01:50:50,690
in a position where nobody knows about

2223
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:52,820
bad things in the world because you

2224
01:50:55,780 --> 01:50:54,170
worry that them bad things are going to

2225
01:50:57,690 --> 01:50:55,790
happen you know you can't live like that

2226
01:51:01,000 --> 01:50:57,700
people need to know when there are

2227
01:51:05,020 --> 01:51:01,010
dangers out there but you actually make

2228
01:51:07,060 --> 01:51:05,030
a good point Jimmy it's it's hard to say

2229
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:07,070
you know I wish I did sort of a

2230
01:51:12,850 --> 01:51:10,730
straightforward solid answer as to you

2231
01:51:15,730 --> 01:51:12,860
know what what the answer actually is I

2232
01:51:18,220 --> 01:51:15,740
mean all I can say for sure is if you

2233
01:51:20,380 --> 01:51:18,230
look back at the history of the Slender

2234
01:51:23,020 --> 01:51:20,390
Man you know when you had when the two

2235
01:51:24,580 --> 01:51:23,030
girls launched their attack with you

2236
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:24,590
know within weeks there were two more

2237
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:26,810
attacks and then there was one in the

2238
01:51:33,730 --> 01:51:28,850
following year in Las Vegas where there

2239
01:51:35,620 --> 01:51:33,740
was actually a Kalyan so you know all I

2240
01:51:40,270 --> 01:51:35,630
can say for sure is that when the

2241
01:51:44,260 --> 01:51:40,280
phenomenon is exposed and highlighted

2242
01:51:47,710 --> 01:51:44,270
bad things have happened you know and so

2243
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:47,720
you interviewed 20 individuals for the

2244
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:51,530
book and you and I and a group of

2245
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:54,190
friends were sitting around a campfire

2246
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:06,220
yes oh okay well well certainly the

2247
01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:09,650
creepiest story came from a woman I

2248
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:11,510
spoke to a couple of years ago named

2249
01:52:18,910 --> 01:52:16,190
Lacey and she at the time was a trainee

2250
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:18,920
flight attendant and I actually I spoke

2251
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:20,330
to her in a couple of occasions and met

2252
01:52:26,710 --> 01:52:23,450
her once and she by her own admission

2253
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:26,720
like so many other people became

2254
01:52:31,930 --> 01:52:29,030
obsessed with the Slenderman phenomenon

2255
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:31,940
he he didn't stay as just something that

2256
01:52:37,540 --> 01:52:34,850
interested her and as she told me she

2257
01:52:41,220 --> 01:52:37,550
printed off like twenty or thirty pieces

2258
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,230
of artwork from from you know for me and

2259
01:52:46,290 --> 01:52:44,080
and got a bunch of picture frames and

2260
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:46,300
turned kind of one of her rooms into

2261
01:52:50,820 --> 01:52:48,880
like a spare bedroom into a room where

2262
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:50,830
just filled with artwork of the

2263
01:52:56,220 --> 01:52:53,590
Slenderman she was up late at night on

2264
01:52:59,100 --> 01:52:56,230
her days off from the job you know

2265
01:53:01,260 --> 01:52:59,110
taking part in forums and chat rooms and

2266
01:53:04,020 --> 01:53:01,270
a lot of her research if not the vast

2267
01:53:06,450 --> 01:53:04,030
majority was done online and that's an

2268
01:53:08,220 --> 01:53:06,460
important point because she said at the

2269
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:08,230
height of all this research when she'd

2270
01:53:12,810 --> 01:53:10,810
been digging deeply and she'd also been

2271
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:12,820
looking into the angle of thought forms

2272
01:53:18,300 --> 01:53:14,770
that people were already then talking

2273
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,310
about and she said on one occasion she

2274
01:53:22,410 --> 01:53:20,560
saw what looked very very briefly like a

2275
01:53:25,530 --> 01:53:22,420
millisecond but it was enough to make it

2276
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:25,540
out she saw what looked like the image

2277
01:53:31,020 --> 01:53:28,410
of the slender man's face on her laptop

2278
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:31,030
and then he was gone and she said it

2279
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:32,650
happened the second time where she saw

2280
01:53:36,660 --> 01:53:34,210
actually the silhouette of the entire

2281
01:53:39,780 --> 01:53:36,670
figure on there and then on a third

2282
01:53:41,700 --> 01:53:39,790
occasion she had like a voice come

2283
01:53:44,220 --> 01:53:41,710
through the laptop which said we're

2284
01:53:46,830 --> 01:53:44,230
friends now and this literally sort of

2285
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:46,840
totally freaked her out and she

2286
01:53:53,310 --> 01:53:51,250
literally destroyed all her files took

2287
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:53,320
down all the paintings took about the

2288
01:53:57,930 --> 01:53:55,150
frames and you know just screwed it all

2289
01:54:00,720 --> 01:53:57,940
up put it out in the garbage but what

2290
01:54:03,540 --> 01:54:00,730
was really weird is that she had a copy

2291
01:54:05,790 --> 01:54:03,550
of a previous book on the Slenderman

2292
01:54:07,470 --> 01:54:05,800
written by a friend of mine named Robin

2293
01:54:10,260 --> 01:54:07,480
Swope and Robin's book was called

2294
01:54:13,590 --> 01:54:10,270
Slenderman from fiction to fact and

2295
01:54:16,050 --> 01:54:13,600
Lacey was so terrified by what she'd

2296
01:54:19,890 --> 01:54:16,060
seen and done that she actually burned

2297
01:54:23,700 --> 01:54:19,900
her copy of Robins book and that

2298
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:23,710
demonstrated how you know how she been

2299
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:27,250
plunged into this state of terror and

2300
01:54:31,580 --> 01:54:29,110
particularly by having these fleeting

2301
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:31,590
images of the Slenderman on her laptop

2302
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:35,110
and she was someone of these growing

2303
01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:36,880
group of people who felt that somehow

2304
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:39,070
this lent the internet was becoming

2305
01:54:45,140 --> 01:54:41,110
self-aware that it was picking up on her

2306
01:54:47,730 --> 01:54:45,150
thoughts and in in essence sort of

2307
01:54:49,380 --> 01:54:47,740
recording and chronicling all the sites

2308
01:54:53,300 --> 01:54:49,390
she was going to and then in a strange

2309
01:54:55,310 --> 01:54:53,310
way projected it back to her

2310
01:54:57,710 --> 01:54:55,320
and she's never really got back into the

2311
01:55:00,260 --> 01:54:57,720
subject ever since other than to share

2312
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:00,270
the story with me which she said she was

2313
01:55:05,980 --> 01:55:02,970
okay with me going in the in the book

2314
01:55:08,810 --> 01:55:05,990
because she didn't feel that terror and

2315
01:55:11,150 --> 01:55:08,820
paranoia was there anymore but at the

2316
01:55:14,330 --> 01:55:11,160
time she said you know she looking back

2317
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:14,340
she was like totally deranged to a

2318
01:55:18,890 --> 01:55:16,530
degree at least you know I'm looking at

2319
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:18,900
some of these historical pictures that

2320
01:55:24,350 --> 01:55:21,330
people have posted that they found over

2321
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:24,360
the years of what could be Slenderman in

2322
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:27,960
the background I gotta say some of it's

2323
01:55:32,930 --> 01:55:30,210
pretty convincing I mean that says

2324
01:55:36,380 --> 01:55:32,940
that'll put a chill down your spine it

2325
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:36,390
just appears to me at looking at some of

2326
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:39,090
these historical photographs that he's

2327
01:55:44,090 --> 01:55:41,250
been with us for a very long time I

2328
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:44,100
think that the Internet is just Allison

2329
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:46,770
just said did we create him or did we

2330
01:55:54,200 --> 01:55:51,570
just energize him well that's a good

2331
01:55:57,470 --> 01:55:54,210
question I mean I think we created him

2332
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:57,480
in the sense of what his name is today

2333
01:56:02,510 --> 01:55:59,520
and how he specifically looks with like

2334
01:56:04,250 --> 01:56:02,520
the you know the tentacles and so on but

2335
01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:04,260
I think what we actually get we sort of

2336
01:56:08,930 --> 01:56:05,970
woke up something that's been with us

2337
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:08,940
for a long time and we gave it a new

2338
01:56:15,110 --> 01:56:13,170
name and revamped it you know in the

2339
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:15,120
same way you can find all around the

2340
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:17,130
world stories of strange creatures or

2341
01:56:21,260 --> 01:56:19,050
bridges you know everybody's know the

2342
01:56:23,210 --> 01:56:21,270
story be the ghost of the old lady at

2343
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:23,220
the bridge or you know there's a Bigfoot

2344
01:56:28,910 --> 01:56:26,010
beneath the bridge or you know a troll

2345
01:56:30,350 --> 01:56:28,920
or whatever you know right it's kind of

2346
01:56:32,930 --> 01:56:30,360
like that thing you can find stories

2347
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,940
like that everywhere you know Friday

2348
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:34,560
night bunch of kids go out to the bridge

2349
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:37,020
and try and summon up the the old lady

2350
01:56:42,740 --> 01:56:40,080
or whatever so yeah I think there's a

2351
01:56:45,770 --> 01:56:42,750
bit of bit of both really in relation to

2352
01:56:47,450 --> 01:56:45,780
that point but you know when you talk

2353
01:56:50,300 --> 01:56:47,460
about the artwork you were looking at

2354
01:56:52,940 --> 01:56:50,310
one of the reasons I think why it struck

2355
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:52,950
the you know and caught the attention of

2356
01:56:58,760 --> 01:56:55,410
so many people is because admittedly a

2357
01:57:01,610 --> 01:56:58,770
lot of the artwork is really kind of

2358
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:01,620
done very well and to the point where

2359
01:57:05,690 --> 01:57:03,450
people do just sort of stare at it

2360
01:57:06,469 --> 01:57:05,700
they're like whoa you know this is like

2361
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,479
really

2362
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:08,880
it's almost like hypnotizing that's why

2363
01:57:14,419 --> 01:57:11,010
I think got a lot to do with it as well

2364
01:57:17,899 --> 01:57:14,429
it's it really drags people in because

2365
01:57:20,989 --> 01:57:17,909
the whole thing whether you know in a

2366
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:20,999
strange way in a disturbing way it's all

2367
01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:24,570
having been done so well you know have

2368
01:57:31,069 --> 01:57:28,380
you seen the trailer from Sony yes I

2369
01:57:34,180 --> 01:57:31,079
have yeah and what do you think well I

2370
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:34,190
mean it kind of captures that sense of

2371
01:57:42,319 --> 01:57:38,090
paranoia you know in the sense of

2372
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:42,329
failure and the unknown and you know

2373
01:57:47,449 --> 01:57:45,360
predatory things just outside of the you

2374
01:57:49,850 --> 01:57:47,459
know visible eyesight or whatever and

2375
01:57:51,529 --> 01:57:49,860
what's coming you know it's I think that

2376
01:57:53,839 --> 01:57:51,539
what he does more than anything else he

2377
01:57:55,879 --> 01:57:53,849
creates like a buildup you know which is

2378
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:55,889
I guess what you know movie trailers are

2379
01:58:00,680 --> 01:57:58,050
meant to do but more so with the

2380
01:58:02,930 --> 01:58:00,690
Slenderman you know it creates just in

2381
01:58:06,379 --> 01:58:02,940
the trailer alone it's like this sense

2382
01:58:09,680 --> 01:58:06,389
of impending growing unease you know

2383
01:58:11,239 --> 01:58:09,690
well we've got about two minutes I did

2384
01:58:14,299 --> 01:58:11,249
want to ask you this before we hit the

2385
01:58:17,029 --> 01:58:14,309
break in and and come back do you listen

2386
01:58:20,810 --> 01:58:17,039
to creep do you go and read or listen to

2387
01:58:23,060 --> 01:58:20,820
any of the creepypasta stories not

2388
01:58:24,859 --> 01:58:23,070
really I mean I did when I was doing the

2389
01:58:28,250 --> 01:58:24,869
research you know I did I read a lot of

2390
01:58:31,189 --> 01:58:28,260
them to get kind of a flavor of the you

2391
01:58:33,919 --> 01:58:31,199
know the the stories and the vibe you

2392
01:58:35,299 --> 01:58:33,929
know from the people and and and

2393
01:58:37,699 --> 01:58:35,309
basically you know that the culture

2394
01:58:39,709 --> 01:58:37,709
surrounding it but I did that because I

2395
01:58:41,180 --> 01:58:39,719
think it was important to understand you

2396
01:58:43,759 --> 01:58:41,190
know I can't just sort of talk about

2397
01:58:46,489 --> 01:58:43,769
creepy posture or something awful you

2398
01:58:47,810 --> 01:58:46,499
need to sort of understand the concept

2399
01:58:49,819 --> 01:58:47,820
of it and a lot of the vibe and

2400
01:58:53,209 --> 01:58:49,829
everything else so yeah when I was doing

2401
01:58:55,399 --> 01:58:53,219
the research I did and you know one of

2402
01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:55,409
the things I realized was the extent to

2403
01:59:00,859 --> 01:58:58,320
which you know sites like this and

2404
01:59:02,930 --> 01:59:00,869
others you know that they they take up a

2405
01:59:06,140 --> 01:59:02,940
lot of a person's tie a lot of their

2406
01:59:10,339 --> 01:59:06,150
life you know and they take it very very

2407
01:59:14,299 --> 01:59:10,349
seriously and you know a lot of work

2408
01:59:15,469 --> 01:59:14,309
goes into some of these stories and and

2409
01:59:17,750 --> 01:59:15,479
this you know there's nothing wrong with

2410
01:59:19,510 --> 01:59:17,760
having an interest and writing little

2411
01:59:22,030 --> 01:59:19,520
horror stories online but

2412
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:22,040
think when it becomes when you start

2413
01:59:28,150 --> 01:59:24,170
doing that at the expense of having a

2414
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:28,160
normal life that's when problems can set

2415
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:29,690
in and you know and that can relate to

2416
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:31,850
any aspect of life if you become

2417
01:59:36,430 --> 01:59:32,810
obsessed with it

2418
01:59:45,090 --> 01:59:36,440
then danger sets in it's inevitable you

2419
01:59:49,720 --> 01:59:45,100
know yeah I Jeff the killer right oh man

2420
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:49,730
perfect example of how you know that the

2421
01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:52,210
Internet has it allows the ability to

2422
01:59:58,330 --> 01:59:55,760
you know create these characters that

2423
02:00:01,270 --> 01:59:58,340
people just they're like well this is so

2424
02:00:04,780 --> 02:00:01,280
cool not realizing that well maybe it's

2425
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:04,790
not so cool after all but it's something

2426
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:06,770
that you might regret you know

2427
02:00:14,470 --> 02:00:09,970
yeah Jeff the killer is over the top

2428
02:00:16,420 --> 02:00:14,480
right so you take the idea and you

2429
02:00:18,220 --> 02:00:16,430
create an image and the next thing you

2430
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:18,230
know then you know you're building this

2431
02:00:27,550 --> 02:00:22,490
story and it's about as out there as it

2432
02:00:29,230 --> 02:00:27,560
gets but it's it's it's modern you know

2433
02:00:32,620 --> 02:00:29,240
what I mean that's the thing it's this

2434
02:00:36,190 --> 02:00:32,630
is what you've we've gotten so scared

2435
02:00:38,620 --> 02:00:36,200
over the years like I had said you know

2436
02:00:40,990 --> 02:00:38,630
to get that adrenaline rush it's got to

2437
02:00:44,110 --> 02:00:41,000
get scarier it's got to get crazier it's

2438
02:00:46,930 --> 02:00:44,120
got to get freakier what do you get you

2439
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:46,940
get Jeff the killer and that's an

2440
02:00:52,660 --> 02:00:50,170
example man you've really got to push it

2441
02:00:55,090 --> 02:00:52,670
yeah you're right and you know of course

2442
02:00:56,710 --> 02:00:55,100
the the problem is well what's what's

2443
02:01:00,760 --> 02:00:56,720
the next step you know what's going to

2444
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:00,770
be the next entity that's going to

2445
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:03,770
create this kind of phenomena or is he

2446
02:01:07,420 --> 02:01:05,810
just going to be consistently the

2447
02:01:09,700 --> 02:01:07,430
Slender Man is going to be sort of the

2448
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:09,710
the leader of the pack you know is it

2449
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:11,810
just going to stay like that I mean that

2450
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:14,810
would not surprise me that if he just

2451
02:01:20,710 --> 02:01:16,730
did not carry on here with the Slender

2452
02:01:22,990 --> 02:01:20,720
Man sort of marching ahead because like

2453
02:01:25,810 --> 02:01:23,000
I said earlier it's it's difficult for a

2454
02:01:28,150 --> 02:01:25,820
lot of these people to walk away from it

2455
02:01:31,990 --> 02:01:28,160
or forget about it when they you know

2456
02:01:33,549 --> 02:01:32,000
invested so much time and obsession that

2457
02:01:35,409 --> 02:01:33,559
the chances of them

2458
02:01:37,989 --> 02:01:35,419
you know it's almost like a junkie he's

2459
02:01:40,929 --> 02:01:37,999
like asking a hairy right to stop just

2460
02:01:44,079 --> 02:01:40,939
period you know it's not gonna happen no

2461
02:01:46,209 --> 02:01:44,089
no and your comparison to rollercoasters

2462
02:01:49,719 --> 02:01:46,219
is perfect if you think about you know

2463
02:01:52,929 --> 02:01:49,729
the Colossus or whatever these roller

2464
02:01:55,649 --> 02:01:52,939
coasters of the 20s and 30s and and what

2465
02:01:58,029 --> 02:01:55,659
we have today and amusement parks it's

2466
02:02:00,489 --> 02:01:58,039
craziness what you have to do because

2467
02:02:02,889 --> 02:02:00,499
you have to keep right I don't know

2468
02:02:04,929 --> 02:02:02,899
what's next you just you know you get

2469
02:02:08,169 --> 02:02:04,939
pushed out of an airplane I guess you

2470
02:02:10,359 --> 02:02:08,179
know I think the one thing that's

2471
02:02:12,009 --> 02:02:10,369
probably gonna increase massively over

2472
02:02:14,020 --> 02:02:12,019
the next few years and I mean it's

2473
02:02:17,290 --> 02:02:14,030
increased a lot you know in the last few

2474
02:02:19,989 --> 02:02:17,300
years is like virtual reality yes you

2475
02:02:22,629 --> 02:02:19,999
know I could easily say how kids 20

2476
02:02:25,089 --> 02:02:22,639
years from now might be spending you

2477
02:02:28,659 --> 02:02:25,099
know half their lives in virtual reality

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world you know seriously yes seriously

2479
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getting scared if you think about it

2480
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this is fade to black

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our guest tonight Nick Redfern we're

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2570
02:07:04,450 --> 02:07:02,760
welcome back fade to black coming shimmy

2571
02:07:06,740 --> 02:07:04,460
Church I guess tonight Nick Redfern

2572
02:07:07,610 --> 02:07:06,750
talking about his new book and it's

2573
02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:07,620
great by the way

2574
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:13,170
the Slender Man mysteries and Nick one

2575
02:07:21,229 --> 02:07:19,280
of the for me I like I like nonfiction

2576
02:07:24,729 --> 02:07:21,239
right that's what I like I like

2577
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:24,739
nonfiction and this book is nonfiction

2578
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:29,280
that's the scariest part about this book

2579
02:07:37,689 --> 02:07:32,730
this isn't these are these are real

2580
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:37,699
experiences and you mentioned Las Vegas

2581
02:07:44,979 --> 02:07:41,360
earlier and I want to go back to that

2582
02:07:47,930 --> 02:07:44,989
for the audience because they actually

2583
02:07:50,300 --> 02:07:47,940
know or have heard about what happened

2584
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:50,310
in Las Vegas but they didn't know about

2585
02:07:57,590 --> 02:07:54,650
the Slender Man connection and this was

2586
02:08:00,290 --> 02:07:57,600
this happened at a Walmart and now the

2587
02:08:02,090 --> 02:08:00,300
audience is going oh oh wait a minute

2588
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:02,100
wait a minute I do okay

2589
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:05,370
that's the incident but they don't know

2590
02:08:09,290 --> 02:08:07,440
about the Slender Man part of the story

2591
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:09,300
take us through what happened it was a

2592
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:12,330
husband and wife by the way yes well it

2593
02:08:17,810 --> 02:08:15,360
all went down on June the 8th 2014 and

2594
02:08:20,270 --> 02:08:17,820
the the couple involved named Jared and

2595
02:08:23,630 --> 02:08:20,280
Amanda Miller and they lived in Las

2596
02:08:28,209 --> 02:08:23,640
Vegas and they were a couple who were

2597
02:08:31,070 --> 02:08:28,219
heavily involved or interested in like

2598
02:08:33,050 --> 02:08:31,080
superhero type phenomenon and comic

2599
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:33,060
books graphic novels that kind of thing

2600
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:37,050
and Amanda she was heavily involved in

2601
02:08:43,689 --> 02:08:40,320
the whole Harley Quinn character like a

2602
02:08:46,939 --> 02:08:43,699
supervillain s created by DC Comics and

2603
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:46,949
but they both had this obsession with

2604
02:08:52,090 --> 02:08:49,650
the Slender Man and like so many others

2605
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:52,100
you know they they took part in online

2606
02:08:58,160 --> 02:08:55,530
discussions and you know followed all

2607
02:09:00,140 --> 02:08:58,170
the developments in the stories watch

2608
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:00,150
Marble Hornets all this kind of stuff

2609
02:09:07,580 --> 02:09:05,040
and and then for whatever reason you

2610
02:09:10,490 --> 02:09:07,590
know they went down the same path as so

2611
02:09:13,820 --> 02:09:10,500
many others and they started to get

2612
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:13,830
involved in like you know buying gun

2613
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:16,530
and camo gear and all sorts of stuff and

2614
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:19,410
and then it was like a ticking time bomb

2615
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:22,170
was growing sort of bigger and bigger

2616
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:26,090
and what basically happened was that

2617
02:09:33,110 --> 02:09:29,690
they gunned down two police officers and

2618
02:09:35,630 --> 02:09:33,120
killed them both and killed a guy in

2619
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:35,640
Walmart as well before they were both

2620
02:09:42,140 --> 02:09:39,930
killed and when the you know the the

2621
02:09:44,510 --> 02:09:42,150
police began their investigation they

2622
02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:44,520
found out there was this connection you

2623
02:09:49,550 --> 02:09:47,370
know this obsession with the Slenderman

2624
02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:49,560
and how they would sort of well he would

2625
02:09:55,130 --> 02:09:52,620
Jared Miller would dress up as you know

2626
02:09:57,380 --> 02:09:55,140
the mr. Slenderman with the suit and

2627
02:10:00,490 --> 02:09:57,390
paint his face white and things like

2628
02:10:05,660 --> 02:10:00,500
this and you know just another

2629
02:10:07,670 --> 02:10:05,670
disturbing aspect if you like of how not

2630
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:07,680
just young kids you know but I think he

2631
02:10:12,260 --> 02:10:10,290
was like 30 or something like that but

2632
02:10:15,620 --> 02:10:12,270
it can still get kind of sucked into

2633
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:15,630
this and you know and so again that's

2634
02:10:22,370 --> 02:10:19,050
like yet another case of just people

2635
02:10:25,340 --> 02:10:22,380
going off the rails and causing havoc

2636
02:10:30,130 --> 02:10:25,350
and death and there's a direct

2637
02:10:33,710 --> 02:10:30,140
connection to the Slenderman and there I

2638
02:10:37,130 --> 02:10:33,720
talked earlier about grand theft auto

2639
02:10:41,540 --> 02:10:37,140
and the Slenderman his appearance of

2640
02:10:44,270 --> 02:10:41,550
grand theft auto it was it's terrifying

2641
02:10:46,430 --> 02:10:44,280
it's it's fun it's a great twist to it

2642
02:10:50,630 --> 02:10:46,440
if you have you ever gone and found them

2643
02:10:53,300 --> 02:10:50,640
in in in Grand Theft Auto no actually I

2644
02:10:54,890 --> 02:10:53,310
knew that sort of brought it into it

2645
02:10:58,460 --> 02:10:54,900
yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty cool

2646
02:11:02,240 --> 02:10:58,470
and you can't escape you can't escape

2647
02:11:07,250 --> 02:11:02,250
Slenderman by the way has anybody can

2648
02:11:09,170 --> 02:11:07,260
you kill can you defeat Slenderman well

2649
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:09,180
that's an interesting question because

2650
02:11:14,120 --> 02:11:11,490
one of the one of the theories in

2651
02:11:17,320 --> 02:11:14,130
relation to thought forms is that they

2652
02:11:20,690 --> 02:11:17,330
can essentially be disintegrated or

2653
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:20,700
dissolved in the city much the same way

2654
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:23,370
that they were created by intense

2655
02:11:27,470 --> 02:11:26,610
concentration you know in one hand you

2656
02:11:29,930 --> 02:11:27,480
have intense

2657
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:29,940
concentration to create it you know you

2658
02:11:35,090 --> 02:11:32,130
focus on the image of how the Slenderman

2659
02:11:38,510 --> 02:11:35,100
looks you know the suit the pale skin

2660
02:11:40,250 --> 02:11:38,520
the faceless face the tentacles and you

2661
02:11:43,220 --> 02:11:40,260
project it outwardly and you've got

2662
02:11:45,770 --> 02:11:43,230
thousands of people doing that you do

2663
02:11:48,050 --> 02:11:45,780
the exact opposite to deconstruct it you

2664
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:48,060
in your mind you try and focus on

2665
02:11:52,729 --> 02:11:50,610
literally disintegrating the creature

2666
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:52,739
until there's nothing left whatsoever

2667
02:11:57,800 --> 02:11:55,050
and the theories that actually works but

2668
02:12:01,160 --> 02:11:57,810
the problem is there are so many people

2669
02:12:03,979 --> 02:12:01,170
but they're not dangerous but they still

2670
02:12:07,910 --> 02:12:03,989
enjoy reading the phenomenon and have no

2671
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:07,920
intention of leaving it alone so you

2672
02:12:14,420 --> 02:12:11,040
know in theory we could destroy the

2673
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:14,430
Slenderman you know an obliterated from

2674
02:12:20,810 --> 02:12:19,050
reality by not thinking about it and you

2675
02:12:22,550 --> 02:12:20,820
know when we've destroyed it but that's

2676
02:12:27,380 --> 02:12:22,560
that's sort of asking for too much that

2677
02:12:30,290 --> 02:12:27,390
won't happen so really we kind of stuck

2678
02:12:31,970 --> 02:12:30,300
with it because you know that as I said

2679
02:12:34,250 --> 02:12:31,980
with Google you know seven million

2680
02:12:36,710 --> 02:12:34,260
results you're not going to find the

2681
02:12:38,840 --> 02:12:36,720
substantial number of them just walk

2682
02:12:41,420 --> 02:12:38,850
away from this subject that they've sort

2683
02:12:45,590 --> 02:12:41,430
of you know embraced for however many

2684
02:12:49,729 --> 02:12:45,600
years and then of all things and I keep

2685
02:12:53,060 --> 02:12:49,739
bringing up the word concerned 2015

2686
02:12:57,650 --> 02:12:53,070
there was literally an epidemic of

2687
02:13:00,350 --> 02:12:57,660
suicide attempts by by kids as young as

2688
02:13:03,680 --> 02:13:00,360
12 through 24 at the Pine Ridge Indian

2689
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:03,690
Reservation well yeah I mean this is a

2690
02:13:09,160 --> 02:13:06,330
very disturbing story the Pine Ridge

2691
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:09,170
Reservation again goes back to the whole

2692
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:12,330
Native American culture and their

2693
02:13:18,440 --> 02:13:14,970
believes in this creature known as

2694
02:13:21,650 --> 02:13:18,450
walking Sam and as I said the the story

2695
02:13:24,979 --> 02:13:21,660
of walking Sam goes back a long way and

2696
02:13:30,020 --> 02:13:24,989
he too is sort of associated with

2697
02:13:32,210 --> 02:13:30,030
suicide with death and you know the the

2698
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:32,220
worst part of it was was that the sort

2699
02:13:37,729 --> 02:13:35,010
of the you know the the angle the story

2700
02:13:40,490 --> 02:13:37,739
the fiction behind it the legend came

2701
02:13:41,060 --> 02:13:40,500
true and you had a substantial number of

2702
02:13:43,479 --> 02:13:41,070
kids who

2703
02:13:46,729 --> 02:13:43,489
killed themselves on the on the

2704
02:13:49,790 --> 02:13:46,739
reservation and a number of others who

2705
02:13:51,649 --> 02:13:49,800
attempted suicide and fortunately you

2706
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:51,659
know they didn't either go through with

2707
02:13:57,260 --> 02:13:55,650
it or it just didn't work and in some

2708
02:14:00,649 --> 02:13:57,270
cases he was you know just a cry for

2709
02:14:05,089 --> 02:14:00,659
help but again it all revolved around a

2710
02:14:07,069 --> 02:14:05,099
tall skinny figure dark clothes and like

2711
02:14:09,260 --> 02:14:07,079
some of these creatures like the shadow

2712
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:09,270
paint with the man in black wearing a

2713
02:14:18,979 --> 02:14:14,010
dark colored hat and in everything but

2714
02:14:22,580 --> 02:14:18,989
name walking Sam is the Slenderman then

2715
02:14:24,319 --> 02:14:22,590
you write in the book okay so I go back

2716
02:14:28,370 --> 02:14:24,329
to I bring up gran turismo

2717
02:14:32,209 --> 02:14:28,380
I bring up all of these other aspects of

2718
02:14:35,870 --> 02:14:32,219
it the bits where Slenderman is singular

2719
02:14:43,370 --> 02:14:35,880
it's it's one it's but you bring up

2720
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:43,380
Robin slope right and that I have often

2721
02:14:51,020 --> 02:14:47,130
thought what if there were two what if

2722
02:14:53,839 --> 02:14:51,030
there were a dozen right and and you and

2723
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:53,849
you bring it up in the book and you take

2724
02:15:01,339 --> 02:14:56,239
a plural right you go from slender man

2725
02:15:05,149 --> 02:15:01,349
to slender men and an army of them tell

2726
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:05,159
us about that well yeah Robin is the guy

2727
02:15:09,470 --> 02:15:08,159
who I mentioned earlier who one day

2728
02:15:12,350 --> 02:15:09,480
people I interviewed for the book Lacey

2729
02:15:14,479 --> 02:15:12,360
she she burned his book and that was

2730
02:15:16,640 --> 02:15:14,489
Robin who I mentioned Slender Man from

2731
02:15:18,589 --> 02:15:16,650
fiction to fact chassis burned his book

2732
02:15:21,140 --> 02:15:18,599
because she was so disturbed by

2733
02:15:24,040 --> 02:15:21,150
everything that was going on in her life

2734
02:15:26,120 --> 02:15:24,050
but when I interviewed Robin

2735
02:15:29,419 --> 02:15:26,130
specifically for the book you know he

2736
02:15:31,700 --> 02:15:29,429
told me a number of stories which were

2737
02:15:34,220 --> 02:15:31,710
usually just in the singular but this is

2738
02:15:39,709 --> 02:15:34,230
one particular case from actually from

2739
02:15:42,770 --> 02:15:39,719
the 1950s in Ohio where he interviewed a

2740
02:15:44,569 --> 02:15:42,780
pastor the guy's a pastor now but back

2741
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:44,579
in the 50s he was just you know a young

2742
02:15:51,530 --> 02:15:48,719
kid and this guy the pastor told Robin

2743
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:51,540
as to have he'd seen this sort of almost

2744
02:15:56,500 --> 02:15:53,570
like an army of Slenderman

2745
02:15:59,260 --> 02:15:56,510
walking across his family's farm one

2746
02:16:01,750 --> 02:15:59,270
particular day and what was weird was

2747
02:16:03,580 --> 02:16:01,760
everything suddenly went quiet like a

2748
02:16:06,459 --> 02:16:03,590
vacuum you know it couldn't hear the

2749
02:16:09,459 --> 02:16:06,469
insects the birds the wind nothing it

2750
02:16:12,189 --> 02:16:09,469
was just like as if the volume had just

2751
02:16:15,609 --> 02:16:12,199
been muted you know and that was enough

2752
02:16:19,780 --> 02:16:15,619
to sort of sparked the demands attention

2753
02:16:22,060 --> 02:16:19,790
and he said that he saw a line in his

2754
02:16:25,240 --> 02:16:22,070
own words a line of slender people as he

2755
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:25,250
called them coming out of the woods just

2756
02:16:31,660 --> 02:16:27,770
across from the neighbor's place and he

2757
02:16:34,780 --> 02:16:31,670
described them as tall dressed in dark

2758
02:16:38,410 --> 02:16:34,790
clothing and walking in again in his own

2759
02:16:41,799 --> 02:16:38,420
words at a slow relentless pace and then

2760
02:16:44,889 --> 02:16:41,809
they suddenly vanished from sight and he

2761
02:16:47,169 --> 02:16:44,899
came to believe the the guy who told the

2762
02:16:49,570 --> 02:16:47,179
story to Robin he came to believe you

2763
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:49,580
know that there was something sort of

2764
02:16:55,540 --> 02:16:53,090
demonic or paranormal about of this and

2765
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:55,550
you know in terms of what it actually

2766
02:17:00,009 --> 02:16:57,679
was that they that he was seeing you

2767
02:17:01,450 --> 02:17:00,019
know whatever these things were now

2768
02:17:04,179 --> 02:17:01,460
because this was in the 50s

2769
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:04,189
he didn't refer to it as the Slenderman

2770
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:06,559
but obviously when the Slenderman

2771
02:17:11,709 --> 02:17:09,439
started to get publicity this guy was

2772
02:17:12,969 --> 02:17:11,719
like wow this is just he sounds just

2773
02:17:16,900 --> 02:17:12,979
like what I saw

2774
02:17:18,969 --> 02:17:16,910
450 years ago and actually have another

2775
02:17:22,089 --> 02:17:18,979
case where there was more than one

2776
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:22,099
Slenderman and this was actually brought

2777
02:17:28,209 --> 02:17:25,250
to me since the book was published and

2778
02:17:31,179 --> 02:17:28,219
it came from a woman who actually saw

2779
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:31,189
two of these in a cemetery in Dallas

2780
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:32,960
which is about 30 miles from where I

2781
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:36,080
live that's why she contacted me living

2782
02:17:41,860 --> 02:17:38,960
locally and she saw two of them and she

2783
02:17:44,919 --> 02:17:41,870
described them even down to thee no eyes

2784
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:44,929
no nose no mouth no ears it that that

2785
02:17:50,799 --> 02:17:47,120
was you know literally the slender man

2786
02:17:52,780 --> 02:17:50,809
or the slender man that she saw but I

2787
02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:52,790
will say that the vast majority of cases

2788
02:17:58,540 --> 02:17:56,719
it still is just one entity but there

2789
02:18:00,730 --> 02:17:58,550
are cases like the one that Robin

2790
02:18:04,690 --> 02:18:00,740
investigated you know where we talking

2791
02:18:08,700 --> 02:18:04,700
possibly dozens in that case and

2792
02:18:10,929 --> 02:18:08,710
the other part I got a couple of emails

2793
02:18:12,490 --> 02:18:10,939
once we announced that you were coming

2794
02:18:18,370 --> 02:18:12,500
on the show and we were gonna discuss

2795
02:18:19,929 --> 02:18:18,380
this book and in the emails they boat to

2796
02:18:25,270 --> 02:18:19,939
different people but saying the same

2797
02:18:28,299 --> 02:18:25,280
thing that Slenderman is not real why do

2798
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:28,309
you want to entertain this and I had to

2799
02:18:35,410 --> 02:18:33,040
step back and say to myself is it that

2800
02:18:38,139 --> 02:18:35,420
if somebody takes the time to write an

2801
02:18:42,599 --> 02:18:38,149
email Nick as you know we're all busy

2802
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:42,609
Nick and you understand this so I

2803
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:45,710
responded back and replied back it what

2804
02:18:51,099 --> 02:18:48,800
do you mean it's not real we have crazy

2805
02:18:55,480 --> 02:18:51,109
incidents around the country that are

2806
02:18:57,040 --> 02:18:55,490
happening tragic incidents that are

2807
02:19:00,219 --> 02:18:57,050
happening around the country where

2808
02:19:02,940 --> 02:19:00,229
Slenderman is real to these people and

2809
02:19:06,280 --> 02:19:02,950
certainly in pop culture it is real

2810
02:19:10,389 --> 02:19:06,290
Slenderman is copy written right this is

2811
02:19:12,849 --> 02:19:10,399
not some folklore thing this is

2812
02:19:17,950 --> 02:19:12,859
something that has manifested itself

2813
02:19:20,530 --> 02:19:17,960
into reality and we have something here

2814
02:19:22,540 --> 02:19:20,540
that needs to be discussed it needs to

2815
02:19:25,320 --> 02:19:22,550
be talked about when somebody says

2816
02:19:28,299 --> 02:19:25,330
Slenderman is real what is your response

2817
02:19:30,969 --> 02:19:28,309
well no I mean that's a good question

2818
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:30,979
because you know when you when you sort

2819
02:19:35,020 --> 02:19:33,290
of look at it from the outside if you're

2820
02:19:37,030 --> 02:19:35,030
not sort of fully aware of the entire

2821
02:19:39,459 --> 02:19:37,040
phenomenon I can understand why people

2822
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:39,469
say well this was just a contest you

2823
02:19:45,759 --> 02:19:42,290
know online and so how can it be real

2824
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:45,769
now before we get to the paranormal side

2825
02:19:51,490 --> 02:19:48,080
of it if you just look at it from the

2826
02:19:53,500 --> 02:19:51,500
angle of people who's you know mindset

2827
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:53,510
is kind of crumbled and they cannot

2828
02:20:00,490 --> 02:19:57,520
distinguish between reality and fiction

2829
02:20:02,370 --> 02:20:00,500
you know for example like the girls in

2830
02:20:06,700 --> 02:20:02,380
Waukesha you know they were clearly

2831
02:20:07,389 --> 02:20:06,710
mentally psychologically unhinged but

2832
02:20:09,940 --> 02:20:07,399
for them

2833
02:20:12,580 --> 02:20:09,950
you're as you said you know they fully

2834
02:20:15,580 --> 02:20:12,590
believed in the existence of the

2835
02:20:17,410 --> 02:20:15,590
Slenderman you know the the other girls

2836
02:20:19,660 --> 02:20:17,420
the one who tried to

2837
02:20:21,790 --> 02:20:19,670
kill her mother with a with a with a

2838
02:20:24,820 --> 02:20:21,800
knife in Ohio then the girl who burned

2839
02:20:27,969 --> 02:20:24,830
down the house in Florida just not long

2840
02:20:30,580 --> 02:20:27,979
after that in those cases you know both

2841
02:20:33,700 --> 02:20:30,590
girls were heavily involved in the

2842
02:20:38,140 --> 02:20:33,710
Slenderman phenomenon and for a lot of

2843
02:20:40,450 --> 02:20:38,150
these kids it is all too real now at the

2844
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:40,460
other side of things is the thought-form

2845
02:20:46,900 --> 02:20:44,000
slash paranormal angle now all I can

2846
02:20:49,480 --> 02:20:46,910
tell you for sure is that people like me

2847
02:20:51,250 --> 02:20:49,490
and Robyn and various other researchers

2848
02:20:54,429 --> 02:20:51,260
like David webbley who've looked into

2849
02:20:58,990 --> 02:20:54,439
this collectively we have dozens and

2850
02:21:02,140 --> 02:20:59,000
dozens and dozens of stories from people

2851
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:02,150
who spoke on the record and shared their

2852
02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:04,160
experiences where they've said they've

2853
02:21:09,820 --> 02:21:06,890
seen the Slender Man in the real world

2854
02:21:11,950 --> 02:21:09,830
and when they looked into the different

2855
02:21:13,780 --> 02:21:11,960
theories they felt for the most part

2856
02:21:16,380 --> 02:21:13,790
they were dealing with something like a

2857
02:21:18,670 --> 02:21:16,390
thought-form the collective mind

2858
02:21:22,090 --> 02:21:18,680
projecting it outwards and then it comes

2859
02:21:24,250 --> 02:21:22,100
to life now of course that theory is

2860
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:24,260
dictated by whether or not you believe

2861
02:21:27,940 --> 02:21:26,479
in the concept of thought forms or you

2862
02:21:31,660 --> 02:21:27,950
just think it's people who become

2863
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:31,670
unhinged but I can you know all I can

2864
02:21:36,820 --> 02:21:34,640
tell you is that the people that like me

2865
02:21:39,880 --> 02:21:36,830
David Waverly and Robin have spoken so

2866
02:21:42,250 --> 02:21:39,890
come across very very credible and are

2867
02:21:45,880 --> 02:21:42,260
they're just sharing their stories in a

2868
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:45,890
lucid fashion you know nothing crazy

2869
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:49,130
about them but what they're telling is a

2870
02:21:54,580 --> 02:21:52,370
very controversial story and you know

2871
02:21:57,310 --> 02:21:54,590
all we can do is chronicle those stories

2872
02:22:00,460 --> 02:21:57,320
and speak to the witnesses and judge

2873
02:22:03,580 --> 02:22:00,470
their characters and and see where it

2874
02:22:05,550 --> 02:22:03,590
all goes so nobody's trying to you know

2875
02:22:10,179 --> 02:22:05,560
present this as some some

2876
02:22:12,460 --> 02:22:10,189
sensationalized story you know fiction

2877
02:22:15,790 --> 02:22:12,470
becomes fact no we're all looking from a

2878
02:22:18,910 --> 02:22:15,800
logical perspective trying to understand

2879
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:18,920
how for so many people it has become

2880
02:22:24,850 --> 02:22:23,600
real you know well in the way before

2881
02:22:29,740 --> 02:22:24,860
Slenderman

2882
02:22:33,010 --> 02:22:29,750
we had the Hat man and the I had

2883
02:22:37,750 --> 02:22:33,020
and talk to I mean I heard about this

2884
02:22:41,070 --> 02:22:37,760
since I was a young kid and I the

2885
02:22:45,330 --> 02:22:41,080
similarities are spot on the money and

2886
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:45,340
what is there a connection there for you

2887
02:22:50,679 --> 02:22:48,560
yeah there is I mean if you look at the

2888
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:50,689
hat man you know it's like the shadowy

2889
02:22:56,170 --> 02:22:52,880
figure that wears a like a black fedora

2890
02:22:57,790 --> 02:22:56,180
hat well that's extremely close to what

2891
02:22:59,410 --> 02:22:57,800
a lot of faithful reports in the man in

2892
02:23:00,429 --> 02:22:59,420
black stories you know there were these

2893
02:23:02,679 --> 02:23:00,439
black suits

2894
02:23:04,870 --> 02:23:02,689
they're often skinny and pale and they

2895
02:23:07,870 --> 02:23:04,880
don't look fully human and they still

2896
02:23:09,580 --> 02:23:07,880
wear these old fedoras you can draw

2897
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:09,590
parallels as well we'd like the

2898
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:12,080
black-eyed children who you know they

2899
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:14,090
wear black hoodies they're pale they

2900
02:23:19,660 --> 02:23:15,920
knock on the door and trying to find a

2901
02:23:22,030 --> 02:23:19,670
way in just like the man in black the

2902
02:23:23,380 --> 02:23:22,040
hat man very often manifests in people's

2903
02:23:25,479 --> 02:23:23,390
bedrooms in the middle of the night

2904
02:23:27,969 --> 02:23:25,489
there are cases of the black-eyed

2905
02:23:31,719 --> 02:23:27,979
children doing the same thing you can

2906
02:23:33,729 --> 02:23:31,729
find a lot of mirror images if you like

2907
02:23:36,010 --> 02:23:33,739
between all of these phenomena the

2908
02:23:38,530 --> 02:23:36,020
shadow people the hat man black-eyed

2909
02:23:43,630 --> 02:23:38,540
kids man in black women and black

2910
02:23:45,790 --> 02:23:43,640
stories they're all crossover phenomena

2911
02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:45,800
and the Slender Man is probably you know

2912
02:23:50,290 --> 02:23:48,770
the latest addition to it I did think of

2913
02:23:52,090 --> 02:23:50,300
one point the whole black-eyed

2914
02:23:54,340 --> 02:23:52,100
children-- was going to kind of explode

2915
02:23:56,229 --> 02:23:54,350
phenomena was going to explode in the

2916
02:23:58,479 --> 02:23:56,239
same way the Slender Man D but he didn't

2917
02:24:01,870 --> 02:23:58,489
quite reach that peak but he that

2918
02:24:04,330 --> 02:24:01,880
certainly has a huge following where you

2919
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:04,340
know there's a lot of fictional stories

2920
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:07,040
online about the black-eyed kids and

2921
02:24:11,740 --> 02:24:08,810
novels you know Kindle books that kind

2922
02:24:14,260 --> 02:24:11,750
of thing but there's also a substantial

2923
02:24:16,389 --> 02:24:14,270
number of people who claim to have seen

2924
02:24:19,690 --> 02:24:16,399
the black-eyed kids in the real world so

2925
02:24:21,639 --> 02:24:19,700
you know that the the two sides are very

2926
02:24:25,150 --> 02:24:21,649
similar you know whether we're talking

2927
02:24:28,030 --> 02:24:25,160
about the Slender Man the hat man the

2928
02:24:30,130 --> 02:24:28,040
black-eyed kids you can find the

2929
02:24:33,450 --> 02:24:30,140
fictional side and then you can find the

2930
02:24:35,950 --> 02:24:33,460
supernatural quote real side if you like

2931
02:24:39,700 --> 02:24:35,960
so I think a lot of these phenomena are

2932
02:24:42,099 --> 02:24:39,710
somehow interlinked you know possibly

2933
02:24:43,100 --> 02:24:42,109
from the same source but we're just not

2934
02:24:46,400 --> 02:24:43,110
fully understanding

2935
02:24:50,511 --> 02:24:46,410
that's Australia's do you think and I've

2936
02:24:53,330 --> 02:24:50,521
seen this now pop up a bunch here in

2937
02:24:56,330 --> 02:24:53,340
Twitter and I understand this kind of

2938
02:24:59,570 --> 02:24:56,340
concern do you think that the phenomena

2939
02:25:01,430 --> 02:24:59,580
you have the idea of it in the front end

2940
02:25:05,150 --> 02:25:01,440
but do you think that the phenomena

2941
02:25:08,150 --> 02:25:05,160
could be exploited by some government

2942
02:25:10,820 --> 02:25:08,160
program like MKULTRA where they're

2943
02:25:16,130 --> 02:25:10,830
taking the the mass audience and the

2944
02:25:21,080 --> 02:25:16,140
idea further to to cause a disturbance a

2945
02:25:23,690 --> 02:25:21,090
ripple well I haven't seen evidence of

2946
02:25:26,180 --> 02:25:23,700
that but what I would say is that if you

2947
02:25:28,700 --> 02:25:26,190
you know if somebody in government or

2948
02:25:34,310 --> 02:25:28,710
even you know in in the medical

2949
02:25:37,850 --> 02:25:34,320
community wanted to see how fictional

2950
02:25:41,390 --> 02:25:37,860
entities can impact upon the mindset of

2951
02:25:44,060 --> 02:25:41,400
massive numbers of people there is no

2952
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:44,070
better phenomenon to investigate or

2953
02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:46,080
study than the Slenderman phenomenon

2954
02:25:53,150 --> 02:25:49,530
because that gives you all the examples

2955
02:25:55,610 --> 02:25:53,160
and answers that you need and I think it

2956
02:25:58,970 --> 02:25:55,620
does it does demonstrate how the human

2957
02:26:01,551 --> 02:25:58,980
mind can be effected and manipulated in

2958
02:26:04,190 --> 02:26:01,561
some of the worst ways possible in fact

2959
02:26:05,990 --> 02:26:04,200
there are no good ways in which the you

2960
02:26:08,660 --> 02:26:06,000
know the Slender Man phenomenon has not

2961
02:26:10,520 --> 02:26:08,670
done anything positive okay may have

2962
02:26:13,790 --> 02:26:10,530
excited a lot of people reading the

2963
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:13,800
stories things like that but really

2964
02:26:19,220 --> 02:26:17,280
there's nothing positive everything that

2965
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:19,230
sort of captured the attention of the

2966
02:26:27,560 --> 02:26:23,730
media he's 100% negatives so you know

2967
02:26:30,200 --> 02:26:27,570
you can learn a lot from how the mindset

2968
02:26:33,100 --> 02:26:30,210
of people he's actually changing you

2969
02:26:35,960 --> 02:26:33,110
know relations to this phenomenon and

2970
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:35,970
you can actually you know spice studying

2971
02:26:40,430 --> 02:26:37,830
these people you can learn a lot as to

2972
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:40,440
how the human mind can be almost

2973
02:26:46,250 --> 02:26:43,200
frightening Lee quickly can be altered

2974
02:26:49,250 --> 02:26:46,260
you know in radical ways well when you

2975
02:26:52,880 --> 02:26:49,260
have and we've always enjoyed that

2976
02:26:54,730 --> 02:26:52,890
whether it's Edgar Allen Poe or HP

2977
02:26:58,390 --> 02:26:54,740
Lovecraft or

2978
02:27:01,150 --> 02:26:58,400
Stephen King we all like a good scary

2979
02:27:04,300 --> 02:27:01,160
story that's what we do you turn down

2980
02:27:08,170 --> 02:27:04,310
the lights you crawl into bed and you

2981
02:27:12,250 --> 02:27:08,180
try to get terrified you know that this

2982
02:27:15,640 --> 02:27:12,260
isn't anything new but something with

2983
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:15,650
slender man took off completely out of

2984
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:17,930
control and I don't know if it's the

2985
02:27:24,700 --> 02:27:21,530
story if it's the Internet or if it's

2986
02:27:27,969 --> 02:27:24,710
the imagery but something got triggered

2987
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:27,979
there and and I'm not sure what caused

2988
02:27:33,520 --> 02:27:31,760
it but it certainly worked for me yet I

2989
02:27:35,950 --> 02:27:33,530
don't think anybody really fully

2990
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:35,960
understands how how and White's had this

2991
02:27:42,969 --> 02:27:39,170
impact and why the Slenderman rowing

2992
02:27:46,210 --> 02:27:42,979
rowing literally ruins lives but the

2993
02:27:50,170 --> 02:27:46,220
black-eyed kids don't and the Hat man

2994
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:50,180
doesn't but so I think this this there's

2995
02:27:54,700 --> 02:27:52,370
no doubt there's something unique and by

2996
02:27:56,770 --> 02:27:54,710
saying unique I don't mean in a positive

2997
02:27:59,320 --> 02:27:56,780
way I mean in a very dangerous and

2998
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,330
negative way there's something unique

2999
02:28:03,969 --> 02:28:01,520
about the Slenderman the overall

3000
02:28:08,260 --> 02:28:03,979
phenomenon you know the fictions of fact

3001
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:08,270
and everything in between has created

3002
02:28:15,490 --> 02:28:12,160
this atmosphere of sort of dread fear

3003
02:28:19,719 --> 02:28:15,500
mixed in with excitements and obsession

3004
02:28:22,410 --> 02:28:19,729
and you know it's like putting a match

3005
02:28:25,090 --> 02:28:22,420
to a stick of dynamite you know and just

3006
02:28:27,969 --> 02:28:25,100
just holding it there for a while and

3007
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:27,979
then it suddenly explodes you know and

3008
02:28:33,700 --> 02:28:31,760
and and throw them you know the research

3009
02:28:35,650 --> 02:28:33,710
I've done I mean the books like 300

3010
02:28:38,500 --> 02:28:35,660
pages for the research I've done over

3011
02:28:42,730 --> 02:28:38,510
the last few years even I don't have a

3012
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:42,740
full answer as to why this phenomenon

3013
02:28:48,190 --> 02:28:45,920
took off against all the others that

3014
02:28:50,350 --> 02:28:48,200
really didn't take off you know why was

3015
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:50,360
it was lend a man you know to such a

3016
02:28:56,260 --> 02:28:52,160
massive degree compared to everything

3017
02:28:58,660 --> 02:28:56,270
else and maybe it really was just the

3018
02:29:00,940 --> 02:28:58,670
the imagery that you know call people's

3019
02:29:03,850 --> 02:29:00,950
attention and then it was expanded upon

3020
02:29:05,650 --> 02:29:03,860
but maybe there's a more subtle angle as

3021
02:29:08,150 --> 02:29:05,660
well that we're not really seeing one

3022
02:29:10,011 --> 02:29:08,160
last question before I say good

3023
02:29:12,440 --> 02:29:10,021
and and I want to thank you in advance

3024
02:29:16,011 --> 02:29:12,450
Nick it's always amazing to us sit and

3025
02:29:21,370 --> 02:29:16,021
talk with you but with with Eric Eric

3026
02:29:23,841 --> 02:29:21,380
Knutson does he does he feel responsible

3027
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:23,851
is there any guilt

3028
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:26,370
he's you know dizzy does he have any

3029
02:29:33,011 --> 02:29:29,010
regrets for the creation of Slenderman

3030
02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:33,021
certainly I'm sure he's financially just

3031
02:29:40,660 --> 02:29:36,570
you know just off the hook because of it

3032
02:29:44,301 --> 02:29:40,670
but dizzy does he ever speak about that

3033
02:29:47,660 --> 02:29:44,311
well yeah he did make a statement you

3034
02:29:50,180 --> 02:29:47,670
know when the the attack occurred you

3035
02:29:54,470 --> 02:29:50,190
know that the two girls and but you know

3036
02:29:56,360 --> 02:29:54,480
I mean but he's not responsible I mean

3037
02:29:59,450 --> 02:29:56,370
you know you cannot he cannot be held

3038
02:30:02,150 --> 02:29:59,460
responsible for creating an image and

3039
02:30:04,670 --> 02:30:02,160
then somebody decides to attack or kill

3040
02:30:07,700 --> 02:30:04,680
someone in the name of a piece of

3041
02:30:10,250 --> 02:30:07,710
artwork you know it's not like Eric

3042
02:30:14,740 --> 02:30:10,260
Knudsen has anything you know to feel

3043
02:30:17,150 --> 02:30:14,750
guilty about at all I mean you know he

3044
02:30:19,551 --> 02:30:17,160
can't be responsible for what other

3045
02:30:22,640 --> 02:30:19,561
people do anymore than the rest of us

3046
02:30:26,301 --> 02:30:22,650
can now whether or not it plays on his

3047
02:30:29,030 --> 02:30:26,311
mind I don't know but but what I would

3048
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:29,040
say is that you know if people are going

3049
02:30:36,350 --> 02:30:32,720
to do things in the name of this or that

3050
02:30:38,060 --> 02:30:36,360
you know we if we were to blame put

3051
02:30:40,490 --> 02:30:38,070
blame on somebody who created a

3052
02:30:42,290 --> 02:30:40,500
fictional character and then somebody

3053
02:30:43,850 --> 02:30:42,300
said well I'm gonna you know kill

3054
02:30:45,950 --> 02:30:43,860
someone in the name of this fictional

3055
02:30:47,660 --> 02:30:45,960
character or that one you know there

3056
02:30:50,420 --> 02:30:47,670
would never be a fictional story ever

3057
02:30:53,150 --> 02:30:50,430
written again for fear of being sued up

3058
02:30:55,490 --> 02:30:53,160
to the eyeballs you know right so I

3059
02:31:00,261 --> 02:30:55,500
think we need to you use common sense

3060
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:00,271
from this aspect that that no just

3061
02:31:04,460 --> 02:31:02,250
because somebody creates something you

3062
02:31:07,310 --> 02:31:04,470
know they cannot be responsible for what

3063
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:07,320
a deranged person does you know yeah I

3064
02:31:12,200 --> 02:31:09,690
think about what Rob Halford

3065
02:31:17,900 --> 02:31:12,210
went through you remember when he you

3066
02:31:19,490 --> 02:31:17,910
know yeah same situation here and you

3067
02:31:21,080 --> 02:31:19,500
know I spoke to him about that at length

3068
02:31:24,139 --> 02:31:21,090
and he said that just wore him

3069
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:24,149
down you know getting taken into court

3070
02:31:30,020 --> 02:31:28,560
because of you know music but it was

3071
02:31:30,679 --> 02:31:30,030
what they were saying about him

3072
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:30,689
personally

3073
02:31:36,590 --> 02:31:33,210
and what the music was doing to society

3074
02:31:40,070 --> 02:31:36,600
he had to sit and listen to that over

3075
02:31:43,099 --> 02:31:40,080
and over again and and I was just

3076
02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:43,109
wondering if if Eric had has considered

3077
02:31:47,960 --> 02:31:45,930
that part of it and could he be - you

3078
02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:47,970
know dragged into court like Rob Halford

3079
02:31:53,900 --> 02:31:51,840
was I on ously don't know I mean none of

3080
02:31:56,270 --> 02:31:53,910
that's happened I mean I think if

3081
02:31:58,130 --> 02:31:56,280
something like that was to have happened

3082
02:32:00,349 --> 02:31:58,140
it would have happened you know in the

3083
02:32:03,020 --> 02:32:00,359
most notorious case that one of the two

3084
02:32:06,139 --> 02:32:03,030
girls in Waukesha the fact that you know

3085
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:06,149
it was not even a part of the case I

3086
02:32:11,540 --> 02:32:08,640
think that you know the the core quite

3087
02:32:14,510 --> 02:32:11,550
rightly realized that just because Eric

3088
02:32:17,660 --> 02:32:14,520
Knudsen created the imagery you know he

3089
02:32:20,840 --> 02:32:17,670
had no role whatsoever in any or any

3090
02:32:24,200 --> 02:32:20,850
part whatsoever you know in terms of

3091
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:24,210
having an impact on this I mean it was

3092
02:32:31,849 --> 02:32:29,210
just down to the girls you know so but

3093
02:32:34,760 --> 02:32:31,859
you know I mean we can you cannot sort

3094
02:32:36,770 --> 02:32:34,770
of police everybody you know and what

3095
02:32:40,070 --> 02:32:36,780
they might do in the name of whatever

3096
02:32:45,440 --> 02:32:40,080
otherwise society would grind to a halt

3097
02:32:48,980 --> 02:32:45,450
no so but again he could these questions

3098
02:32:52,010 --> 02:32:48,990
they're good questions and what's

3099
02:32:55,400 --> 02:32:52,020
important is that we're asking questions

3100
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:55,410
being asked that don't relate to any

3101
02:32:59,179 --> 02:32:57,600
other aspects of the paranormal world at

3102
02:33:01,160 --> 02:32:59,189
all again this is what makes the

3103
02:33:03,080 --> 02:33:01,170
Slenderman unique you would never be

3104
02:33:04,820 --> 02:33:03,090
asking me these questions which are

3105
02:33:06,889 --> 02:33:04,830
quite right to ask in terms of

3106
02:33:09,010 --> 02:33:06,899
Slenderman but you never asks me these

3107
02:33:12,320 --> 02:33:09,020
questions in relation to Bigfoot's

3108
02:33:14,889 --> 02:33:12,330
aliens or the Loch Ness monster right

3109
02:33:18,710 --> 02:33:14,899
because it's because there's been no

3110
02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:18,720
evidence or stories or events which have

3111
02:33:24,410 --> 02:33:21,359
impacted on those paranormal phenomena

3112
02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:24,420
as I have with the Slenderman so again

3113
02:33:29,510 --> 02:33:26,970
you know the uniqueness of the questions

3114
02:33:31,730 --> 02:33:29,520
is something that is unique you know to

3115
02:33:35,661 --> 02:33:31,740
the Slenderman yeah tonight I'm gonna go

3116
02:33:42,451 --> 02:33:40,171
okay again thank you we're three quick

3117
02:33:46,711 --> 02:33:42,461
questions one work and everybody get the

3118
02:33:49,890 --> 02:33:46,721
book the Slender Man mysteries you can

3119
02:33:51,480 --> 02:33:49,900
get it from Amazon online and most of

3120
02:33:54,690 --> 02:33:51,490
the Barnes and Nobles have got a couple

3121
02:33:56,551 --> 02:33:54,700
of copies in stock as well if you for

3122
02:34:00,841 --> 02:33:56,561
people who still enjoy what rambling

3123
02:34:03,841 --> 02:34:00,851
around bookstores what is the next book

3124
02:34:06,270 --> 02:34:03,851
what are you working on now well I've

3125
02:34:07,711 --> 02:34:06,280
actually got my fifth man in black book

3126
02:34:08,970 --> 02:34:07,721
outs next month

3127
02:34:10,951 --> 02:34:08,980
actually I'm here in the fifth it's

3128
02:34:14,060 --> 02:34:10,961
called the black diary and it's like a

3129
02:34:16,951 --> 02:34:14,070
journal type approach of all the weird

3130
02:34:19,531 --> 02:34:16,961
MIB stuff ever investigated over the

3131
02:34:26,100 --> 02:34:19,541
last three years or so yeah I can't wait

3132
02:34:28,801 --> 02:34:26,110
to get that one were you speaking the

3133
02:34:30,930 --> 02:34:28,811
next one is actually not till July I'll

3134
02:34:33,901 --> 02:34:30,940
be speaking at it's like a question

3135
02:34:36,961 --> 02:34:33,911
asked answer forum at the Dallas Public

3136
02:34:38,791 --> 02:34:36,971
Library in July and be sort of a little

3137
02:34:41,730 --> 02:34:38,801
bit departure for me she won't be a

3138
02:34:44,131 --> 02:34:41,740
conference with with lectures it'll be a

3139
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:44,141
panel and the audience will be made up

3140
02:34:49,081 --> 02:34:45,610
of people you know want to come along

3141
02:34:53,881 --> 02:34:49,091
and ask questions of the UFO phenomenon

3142
02:34:55,711 --> 02:34:53,891
see any conferences coming up for you no

3143
02:34:58,140 --> 02:34:55,721
actually I've got a quiet period until

3144
02:35:01,261 --> 02:34:58,150
later this year I think the first one

3145
02:35:04,111 --> 02:35:01,271
will be the the Mothman festival in the

3146
02:35:09,291 --> 02:35:04,121
second weekend in September then the

3147
02:35:15,211 --> 02:35:12,001
forget which one it is now is it under

3148
02:35:18,901 --> 02:35:15,221
one side yes it is yeah oh it's all

3149
02:35:22,591 --> 02:35:18,911
there thank you so much Nick just just

3150
02:35:26,011 --> 02:35:22,601
amazing what gets you on in next month

3151
02:35:27,571 --> 02:35:26,021
after the next book five for the men and

3152
02:35:30,871 --> 02:35:27,581
black comes out I really look forward to

3153
02:35:33,421 --> 02:35:30,881
it thank you so much man thank you thank

3154
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:33,431
you Nick Redfern everybody his his

3155
02:35:38,390 --> 02:35:35,200
website's right there Jimmy Church radio

3156
02:35:40,171 --> 02:35:38,400
calm Nick Redford 40 and at blogspot.com

3157
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:40,181
links are right there

3158
02:35:45,660 --> 02:35:42,170
fade to black I will open up the phone

3159
02:35:51,050 --> 02:35:45,670
minds and take your phone calls next

3160
02:36:02,990 --> 02:35:59,460
[Music]

3161
02:36:08,519 --> 02:36:05,670
Viveca box here and you are listening to

3162
02:36:13,969 --> 02:36:08,529
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3163
02:36:18,150 --> 02:36:13,979
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3164
02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:18,160
reading a book will not make you smarter

3165
02:36:24,121 --> 02:36:21,130
but listening to Jimmy church will

3166
02:36:28,390 --> 02:36:24,131
[Applause]

3167
02:36:30,310 --> 02:36:28,400
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3168
02:36:32,770 --> 02:36:30,320
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3169
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3170
02:36:37,091 --> 02:36:35,091
to black and last month I decided to

3171
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3172
02:36:42,671 --> 02:36:39,501
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3173
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3175
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3176
02:36:51,581 --> 02:36:48,830
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3177
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3212
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3213
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but remember being a few years younger

3214
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you know your hair was thicker you

3215
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didn't have so many wrinkles that extra

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weight wasn't haunting you and you just

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are asking you what you did to look so

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3237
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it's not a lifestyle we chose we were

3238
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born this way

3239
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:44,180
kera radio.com this is KJ CR Jimmy

3240
02:39:47,610 --> 02:39:59,200
[Music]

3241
02:40:05,230 --> 02:40:02,630
haha fade to black

3242
02:40:08,840 --> 02:40:05,240
Thank You Nick Redfern great great

3243
02:40:12,440 --> 02:40:08,850
conversation got some audio gremlins

3244
02:40:14,269 --> 02:40:12,450
tonight and Gabriel just said I wonder

3245
02:40:16,940 --> 02:40:14,279
what Jimmy's doing a let's play game

3246
02:40:21,500 --> 02:40:16,950
what's he doing off-camera and I was

3247
02:40:23,179 --> 02:40:21,510
replacing a cable and for one of the

3248
02:40:27,080 --> 02:40:23,189
phone lines so I'm gonna see if this is

3249
02:40:28,550 --> 02:40:27,090
actually working so let's see if it work

3250
02:40:32,450 --> 02:40:28,560
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3251
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:32,460
calling from Sacramento oh the cable fix

3252
02:40:41,570 --> 02:40:38,740
weird can you hear me yep

3253
02:40:42,620 --> 02:40:41,580
so I wasn't old and the commercials were

3254
02:40:43,820 --> 02:40:42,630
playing I could hear you in the

3255
02:40:46,280 --> 02:40:43,830
background on the commercials going

3256
02:40:47,630 --> 02:40:46,290
hello can you hear me hello and it

3257
02:40:52,370 --> 02:40:47,640
happened like three times I was like

3258
02:40:55,099 --> 02:40:52,380
okay see but I was waiting for you to

3259
02:40:57,679 --> 02:40:55,109
respond and you didn't so I didn't think

3260
02:41:00,800 --> 02:40:57,689
the cable worked see I did that for you

3261
02:41:03,370 --> 02:41:00,810
Deb so you could actually say yes I'm

3262
02:41:05,870 --> 02:41:03,380
here but you didn't say anything so I

3263
02:41:07,610 --> 02:41:05,880
thanks for the help the commercials were

3264
02:41:11,620 --> 02:41:07,620
playing I know the commercials are

3265
02:41:16,460 --> 02:41:11,630
playing and you were in the background

3266
02:41:19,880 --> 02:41:16,470
okay all right but you're here you're

3267
02:41:23,090 --> 02:41:19,890
here now and and we're good yeah so what

3268
02:41:25,460 --> 02:41:23,100
time you on oh boy what's on my mind can

3269
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:25,470
you hear me yes I can - how can I can

3270
02:41:30,530 --> 02:41:28,319
really hurt I'm sorry so the other night

3271
02:41:32,360 --> 02:41:30,540
the other night you were saying and I've

3272
02:41:33,860 --> 02:41:32,370
totally remembered this and it really

3273
02:41:37,099 --> 02:41:33,870
related to what we were talking about

3274
02:41:39,139 --> 02:41:37,109
tonight you said you could literally go

3275
02:41:40,490 --> 02:41:39,149
in Google something and by the time you

3276
02:41:42,170 --> 02:41:40,500
go back to YouTube there'll be all kinds

3277
02:41:43,340 --> 02:41:42,180
of threads on what you just googled

3278
02:41:46,309 --> 02:41:43,350
that's right because we're constantly

3279
02:41:47,990 --> 02:41:46,319
being monitored and we're being profiled

3280
02:41:49,790 --> 02:41:48,000
that's right so the people who are doing

3281
02:41:51,679 --> 02:41:49,800
this why couldn't they use that

3282
02:41:55,700 --> 02:41:51,689
technology and we don't know how

3283
02:41:58,099 --> 02:41:55,710
advanced that technology is to profile

3284
02:42:00,230 --> 02:41:58,109
and use it against people who are

3285
02:42:02,540 --> 02:42:00,240
interested in Slenderman because their

3286
02:42:04,849 --> 02:42:02,550
whole thing is create a problem then

3287
02:42:06,860 --> 02:42:04,859
create the solution then restrict our

3288
02:42:08,210 --> 02:42:06,870
rights and what community are they

3289
02:42:12,780 --> 02:42:08,220
targeting on the Internet

3290
02:42:16,469 --> 02:42:12,790
of course of course

3291
02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:16,479
I mean that that's not a question that's

3292
02:42:22,590 --> 02:42:19,170
a statement

3293
02:42:24,389 --> 02:42:22,600
yeah well but the only difference

3294
02:42:26,519 --> 02:42:24,399
between Slenderman and all the other

3295
02:42:27,690 --> 02:42:26,529
paranormal things too is he was created

3296
02:42:32,010 --> 02:42:27,700
on the Internet

3297
02:42:34,469 --> 02:42:32,020
yes yes yeah sinister forces or it could

3298
02:42:38,010 --> 02:42:34,479
be our consciousness feeding it right

3299
02:42:42,000 --> 02:42:38,020
right right and and and I definitely a

3300
02:42:45,240 --> 02:42:42,010
combination of the both but the you know

3301
02:42:47,480 --> 02:42:45,250
some mad you know German scientists you

3302
02:42:51,000 --> 02:42:47,490
know figuring out a way to plug into our

3303
02:42:53,750 --> 02:42:51,010
to our psyche effectively right without

3304
02:42:58,260 --> 02:42:53,760
without fail a fail-safe way of doing it

3305
02:43:01,610 --> 02:42:58,270
and figuring that out because it appears

3306
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:01,620
that Slenderman worked right that

3307
02:43:07,139 --> 02:43:05,770
combination it worked you know it's it's

3308
02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:07,149
just an incredible thing to have

3309
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:12,250
witnessed and to see this manifest I

3310
02:43:15,330 --> 02:43:14,170
keep saying manifest because that's I I

3311
02:43:17,219 --> 02:43:15,340
can't think of another word right now

3312
02:43:18,860 --> 02:43:17,229
but have it manifest into pop culture

3313
02:43:22,469 --> 02:43:18,870
where now crimes are being committed

3314
02:43:25,440 --> 02:43:22,479
that's crazy to me so is it that

3315
02:43:29,519 --> 02:43:25,450
effective you know I don't I don't know

3316
02:43:31,320 --> 02:43:29,529
but to bring up a couple of questions

3317
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:31,330
could it be a government program well

3318
02:43:36,540 --> 02:43:34,479
that's certainly interesting could could

3319
02:43:42,920 --> 02:43:36,550
they have figured out a way you know

3320
02:43:47,300 --> 02:43:42,930
that Stamford University UCLA MKULTRA

3321
02:43:50,460 --> 02:43:47,310
psychological program of mind-control

3322
02:43:55,410 --> 02:43:50,470
actually be in play I know it seems like

3323
02:43:57,330 --> 02:43:55,420
a stretch but it it it's working you

3324
02:43:58,650 --> 02:43:57,340
know and well after that that's all most

3325
02:44:00,480 --> 02:43:58,660
of that woman actually hear her

3326
02:44:02,340 --> 02:44:00,490
computers say now we're friends yes

3327
02:44:04,860 --> 02:44:02,350
wonder man I mean didn't you freak out

3328
02:44:06,929 --> 02:44:04,870
if your laptop talk to you yeah I had

3329
02:44:11,519 --> 02:44:06,939
that happen today I had that happen to

3330
02:44:15,210 --> 02:44:11,529
me I brought this up before I think I've

3331
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:15,220
mentioned it but back in the day and I

3332
02:44:24,480 --> 02:44:18,160
know this sounds crazy but back in the

3333
02:44:26,850 --> 02:44:24,490
day I went to a website that I was more

3334
02:44:30,360 --> 02:44:26,860
about I was told by some I'm not gonna

3335
02:44:33,091 --> 02:44:30,370
say who I'm not gonna get to specifics

3336
02:44:35,250 --> 02:44:33,101
but I went to the website and it

3337
02:44:39,091 --> 02:44:35,260
immediately and I thought it was a joke

3338
02:44:43,080 --> 02:44:39,101
and this thing flashed up on the screen

3339
02:44:46,350 --> 02:44:43,090
and this I'm talking about 1995-96 right

3340
02:44:50,551 --> 02:44:46,360
in there and this thing flashed up on

3341
02:44:52,440 --> 02:44:50,561
the screen with my name on it and I

3342
02:44:56,280 --> 02:44:52,450
thought now how did they how do they

3343
02:44:58,680 --> 02:44:56,290
know this and then there's something

3344
02:44:59,730 --> 02:44:58,690
else popped up on the screen and and it

3345
02:45:04,591 --> 02:44:59,740
kind of freaked me out

3346
02:45:07,110 --> 02:45:04,601
and then my screen went staticky like

3347
02:45:11,910 --> 02:45:07,120
like a television which I've never seen

3348
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:11,920
on it was digital but it went funky and

3349
02:45:20,970 --> 02:45:17,130
then went blank and now I don't know

3350
02:45:22,801 --> 02:45:20,980
what caused it it wasn't a virus I don't

3351
02:45:26,430 --> 02:45:22,811
even think viruses were around back then

3352
02:45:28,381 --> 02:45:26,440
at least not like this but but I had to

3353
02:45:32,610 --> 02:45:28,391
have the computer repaired and it never

3354
02:45:35,671 --> 02:45:32,620
really got back to normal and I can tell

3355
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:35,681
you this I never went back to that site

3356
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:42,250
I my memory says a couple of weeks later

3357
02:45:50,100 --> 02:45:46,960
I got a message and I don't remember how

3358
02:45:51,870 --> 02:45:50,110
that was relayed to me from that web

3359
02:45:54,600 --> 02:45:51,880
site saying that you know we're watching

3360
02:45:57,240 --> 02:45:54,610
you there's something to that and and

3361
02:45:59,100 --> 02:45:57,250
and back then the the Internet for me

3362
02:46:03,381 --> 02:45:59,110
was such a strange place and so

3363
02:46:05,070 --> 02:46:03,391
mysterious because it was right it

3364
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:05,080
messed with me

3365
02:46:12,330 --> 02:46:09,730
and from that day forward and I still

3366
02:46:16,500 --> 02:46:12,340
practice this to this day I have friends

3367
02:46:21,180 --> 02:46:16,510
they get viruses I don't why I don't

3368
02:46:23,700 --> 02:46:21,190
click on nothing right I don't I don't

3369
02:46:25,801 --> 02:46:23,710
click on anything inside of an email I

3370
02:46:29,671 --> 02:46:25,811
don't click on a site that I don't

3371
02:46:32,730 --> 02:46:29,681
deliberately go to I don't

3372
02:46:34,801 --> 02:46:32,740
steer off the path I have friends my

3373
02:46:36,810 --> 02:46:34,811
daughter's get viruses right there out

3374
02:46:39,690 --> 02:46:36,820
there clicking around and you know

3375
02:46:42,219 --> 02:46:39,700
trying to find the

3376
02:46:43,900 --> 02:46:42,229
whatever some video whatever you know

3377
02:46:46,990 --> 02:46:43,910
you're out there goofing around you're

3378
02:46:48,300 --> 02:46:47,000
gonna encounter that so I do not I don't

3379
02:46:52,120 --> 02:46:48,310
get viruses

3380
02:46:54,400 --> 02:46:52,130
I just don't click I just don't hey Deb

3381
02:46:55,660 --> 02:46:54,410
I got like 15 phone calls here I got to

3382
02:46:57,610 --> 02:46:55,670
get to

3383
02:46:59,410 --> 02:46:57,620
I just hope because Slenderman is so

3384
02:47:01,000 --> 02:46:59,420
negative we don't give it any attention

3385
02:47:02,650 --> 02:47:01,010
and we keep it off of on stellar and

3386
02:47:06,150 --> 02:47:02,660
I'll let's go Jimmy I'll talk to you dad

3387
02:47:08,410 --> 02:47:06,160
thank you so much okay bye-bye

3388
02:47:20,110 --> 02:47:08,420
hi your life I'm fade to black who's

3389
02:47:22,180 --> 02:47:20,120
calling you're live I can hear you 3 2 1

3390
02:47:28,390 --> 02:47:22,190
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3391
02:47:31,030 --> 02:47:28,400
calling you're live well that's strange

3392
02:47:33,910 --> 02:47:31,040
I might actually have a swapped out for

3393
02:47:39,310 --> 02:47:33,920
on cable hi you're live on fade to black

3394
02:47:42,640 --> 02:47:39,320
who's calling hi Kyle how are you man

3395
02:47:43,960 --> 02:47:42,650
I'm good I'm good I was just calling

3396
02:47:48,580 --> 02:47:43,970
because I heard your thing about the air

3397
02:47:50,890 --> 02:47:48,590
was bad back there and what it was back

3398
02:47:54,640 --> 02:47:50,900
then back in the 90s I can tell you I

3399
02:47:57,450 --> 02:47:54,650
think hey you how it probably did which

3400
02:47:59,350 --> 02:47:57,460
is back then programs were not sandbox

3401
02:48:01,150 --> 02:47:59,360
meaning that they want in their own

3402
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:01,160
closed environments where everything

3403
02:48:05,380 --> 02:48:02,720
happens within that environment stays

3404
02:48:07,030 --> 02:48:05,390
within that environment so it can't we

3405
02:48:10,410 --> 02:48:07,040
just read a simple text file on your

3406
02:48:12,820 --> 02:48:10,420
computer now they call it a DX and diag

3407
02:48:16,300 --> 02:48:12,830
the back denim is called something else

3408
02:48:18,670 --> 02:48:16,310
in Windows 95 and it just basically

3409
02:48:20,320 --> 02:48:18,680
displays your first and last name that's

3410
02:48:22,210 --> 02:48:20,330
all we did if you put your first and

3411
02:48:24,580 --> 02:48:22,220
last name in there just displayed that

3412
02:48:26,590 --> 02:48:24,590
might give you that out there that had

3413
02:48:28,630 --> 02:48:26,600
websites displaying my username for my

3414
02:48:31,950 --> 02:48:28,640
computer which was not my person last

3415
02:48:35,140 --> 02:48:31,960
name back friend cuz I was like dang

3416
02:48:36,940 --> 02:48:35,150
Ronnie I'm right right being the name

3417
02:48:38,740 --> 02:48:36,950
and they knew that name anywhere else to

3418
02:48:40,660 --> 02:48:38,750
do the name is only in one place the

3419
02:48:42,400 --> 02:48:40,670
last time I think instantly figured out

3420
02:48:45,670 --> 02:48:42,410
oh this is reading from the profile on

3421
02:48:48,400 --> 02:48:45,680
the computer interesting you know and

3422
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:48,410
then it probably could have been a virus

3423
02:48:51,820 --> 02:48:50,090
to shut your computer down because back

3424
02:48:54,280 --> 02:48:51,830
then they were very malicious and

3425
02:48:56,559 --> 02:48:54,290
some that would literally kill a CMOS on

3426
02:48:58,599 --> 02:48:56,569
a computer with no issue completely

3427
02:49:00,460 --> 02:48:58,609
clear out your bias and wipe the chip

3428
02:49:04,300 --> 02:49:00,470
before it was like nobody ever wrote me

3429
02:49:06,639 --> 02:49:04,310
English if whatsoever yeah yeah remember

3430
02:49:08,650 --> 02:49:06,649
those rumors going around and you know

3431
02:49:11,500 --> 02:49:08,660
that's how McAfee made all of his money

3432
02:49:14,860 --> 02:49:11,510
right just just a thought the threat of

3433
02:49:15,190 --> 02:49:14,870
it but it really it really freaked me

3434
02:49:21,250 --> 02:49:15,200
out

3435
02:49:24,099 --> 02:49:21,260
it scared me to the point of I don't

3436
02:49:26,800 --> 02:49:24,109
want to say the website but it has to do

3437
02:49:29,559 --> 02:49:26,810
with you know new world order kind of

3438
02:49:35,440 --> 02:49:29,569
ish idea I'm not gonna get I'm not going

3439
02:49:40,210 --> 02:49:35,450
to go there but I I felt like I was in a

3440
02:49:43,320 --> 02:49:40,220
zone where I shouldn't be going there

3441
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:43,330
and then that happened so you know what

3442
02:49:47,950 --> 02:49:45,530
yeah with the way everything with the

3443
02:49:49,809 --> 02:49:47,960
way all websites looked back then it's

3444
02:49:51,340 --> 02:49:49,819
very easy to be misled and think you're

3445
02:49:53,349 --> 02:49:51,350
going places you shouldn't be when in

3446
02:49:55,480 --> 02:49:53,359
reality just some Joe Schmo from San

3447
02:49:57,400 --> 02:49:55,490
Francisco put it up on a server well you

3448
02:49:58,900 --> 02:49:57,410
know you only have to have them fun back

3449
02:50:02,320 --> 02:49:58,910
then that was part of the fun of those

3450
02:50:05,650 --> 02:50:02,330
days it was part of the fun I mean you

3451
02:50:07,690 --> 02:50:05,660
know you go and you you put your hand on

3452
02:50:09,450 --> 02:50:07,700
a hot burner on the stove and you don't

3453
02:50:14,830 --> 02:50:09,460
think it's hot and you burn your hand

3454
02:50:17,860 --> 02:50:14,840
right yeah you don't feed back on the

3455
02:50:19,660 --> 02:50:17,870
line what's that I'm here I'm here in

3456
02:50:20,559 --> 02:50:19,670
the show feed back on the line on about

3457
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:20,569
a one-minute deal

3458
02:50:25,809 --> 02:50:23,210
oh that's somebody that's on hold that's

3459
02:50:27,370 --> 02:50:25,819
probably tell you exactly what it is is

3460
02:50:31,990 --> 02:50:27,380
somebody that's got the radio up in the

3461
02:50:35,710 --> 02:50:32,000
background yeah yeah so I've got calls

3462
02:50:38,110 --> 02:50:35,720
stacked up and so the next call that I'm

3463
02:50:43,420 --> 02:50:38,120
bringing in is next to you so you're

3464
02:50:46,179 --> 02:50:43,430
listening to that caller right so I'll

3465
02:50:47,830 --> 02:50:46,189
bring it in I'll bring Kyle I'll bring

3466
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:47,840
him in right now turn me down in the

3467
02:50:56,139 --> 02:50:52,970
background can you hear me hello see

3468
02:51:02,460 --> 02:50:56,149
this is him I'm oh now he's turned me

3469
02:51:09,700 --> 02:51:02,470
down in the background and so yeah Oh

3470
02:51:15,670 --> 02:51:13,389
see that's what what's really funny to

3471
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:15,680
the audience that's what Kyle was

3472
02:51:22,059 --> 02:51:18,560
hearing in his headphone mix in the

3473
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:22,069
background and I hate that when I hear

3474
02:51:25,389 --> 02:51:23,840
it as soon as I bring in a caller and I

3475
02:51:27,519 --> 02:51:25,399
hear myself in the background I just

3476
02:51:31,929 --> 02:51:27,529
want to hang up I don't want to have to

3477
02:51:36,399 --> 02:51:31,939
say - I can't stand it I can't and it's

3478
02:51:38,740 --> 02:51:36,409
just just please turn me down and be

3479
02:51:41,830 --> 02:51:38,750
ready to go it's really bad radio for

3480
02:51:43,179 --> 02:51:41,840
everybody to hear me say that over and

3481
02:51:44,620 --> 02:51:43,189
over again then you got a pause and

3482
02:51:45,429 --> 02:51:44,630
somebody goes okay hold on I'll be right

3483
02:51:50,080 --> 02:51:45,439
back

3484
02:51:52,809 --> 02:51:50,090
did it I don't want to hold on I'll just

3485
02:51:53,859 --> 02:51:52,819
hang up so there you go Kyle thank you

3486
02:51:56,080 --> 02:51:53,869
for the phone call

3487
02:52:01,300 --> 02:51:56,090
and you bring up a great point you know

3488
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:01,310
especially back then I learned behind us

3489
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:04,250
and I never forgot it man I never forgot

3490
02:52:09,250 --> 02:52:06,399
it I just don't do it

3491
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:09,260
sandboxing now is just as important as

3492
02:52:16,779 --> 02:52:13,210
the blockchain will be you think so oh

3493
02:52:19,540 --> 02:52:16,789
yeah well the block see I'm not just the

3494
02:52:22,179 --> 02:52:19,550
social networks not just all of us not

3495
02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:22,189
just the idea of the voting news I'm

3496
02:52:28,540 --> 02:52:24,489
hearing about it now with everything

3497
02:52:31,300 --> 02:52:28,550
everything from databases to just for

3498
02:52:33,069 --> 02:52:31,310
simple things of you know the random sex

3499
02:52:34,719 --> 02:52:33,079
numbers that most big databases will do

3500
02:52:36,519 --> 02:52:34,729
right I'd be either the end of the day

3501
02:52:39,130 --> 02:52:36,529
or every three or four hours or whatever

3502
02:52:40,540 --> 02:52:39,140
they do to keep their cycles but correct

3503
02:52:41,710 --> 02:52:40,550
with all their data correct on them so

3504
02:52:43,300 --> 02:52:41,720
when people do a search they get the

3505
02:52:44,139 --> 02:52:43,310
right information right people have

3506
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:44,149
talked about putting that in the

3507
02:52:48,189 --> 02:52:46,399
blockchain now right because it actually

3508
02:52:52,540 --> 02:52:48,199
can save they can actually parse and

3509
02:52:54,849 --> 02:52:52,550
save space and it's it's so when you

3510
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:54,859
look at when people hear about the

3511
02:53:01,840 --> 02:52:58,720
blockchain all they have read about is

3512
02:53:04,630 --> 02:53:01,850
Bitcoin right and that's that's their

3513
02:53:08,830 --> 02:53:04,640
immediate and and I understand that I do

3514
02:53:11,050 --> 02:53:08,840
I totally get that but the the idea of

3515
02:53:14,830 --> 02:53:11,060
the blockchain which is ingenious and

3516
02:53:17,440 --> 02:53:14,840
you take that that the engine of the

3517
02:53:21,091 --> 02:53:17,450
blockchain you can take that in a

3518
02:53:23,650 --> 02:53:21,101
why it to so many different things and

3519
02:53:28,200 --> 02:53:23,660
and that's one part of it that you're

3520
02:53:32,381 --> 02:53:28,210
talking about there another another

3521
02:53:33,640 --> 02:53:32,391
registered artwork right now you know

3522
02:53:36,970 --> 02:53:33,650
you stop and you think about this

3523
02:53:38,921 --> 02:53:36,980
there's so much you know fake artwork a

3524
02:53:40,301 --> 02:53:38,931
paintings fine art that is out there how

3525
02:53:43,710 --> 02:53:40,311
do you know if you're buying the real

3526
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:43,720
thing but chances are today there was a

3527
02:53:51,671 --> 02:53:47,120
there was a I just read the story there

3528
02:53:56,680 --> 02:53:51,681
was a gallery in Holland 80% of the

3529
02:54:00,310 --> 02:53:56,690
artwork was fake how does that happen

3530
02:54:01,030 --> 02:54:00,320
right well anybody can get duped today

3531
02:54:04,540 --> 02:54:01,040
right

3532
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:04,550
these curators at these museums they can

3533
02:54:08,921 --> 02:54:07,010
get duped how do you know if you're

3534
02:54:10,091 --> 02:54:08,931
gonna go and buy a piece of artwork that

3535
02:54:13,421 --> 02:54:10,101
it's the real thing

3536
02:54:16,631 --> 02:54:13,431
well one of the ways to protect that

3537
02:54:19,091 --> 02:54:16,641
would be the blockchain and the artwork

3538
02:54:22,900 --> 02:54:19,101
is registered there where it can't be

3539
02:54:24,520 --> 02:54:22,910
altered right and then is that just

3540
02:54:27,310 --> 02:54:24,530
another has nothing to do with Bitcoin

3541
02:54:31,330 --> 02:54:27,320
or cryptocurrency but it has everything

3542
02:54:33,220 --> 02:54:31,340
to do with creatively applying the

3543
02:54:37,120 --> 02:54:33,230
blockchain to something else

3544
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:37,130
and it could be anything and and I think

3545
02:54:42,850 --> 02:54:39,050
that just what you just said word for

3546
02:54:46,690 --> 02:54:42,860
word it's the future you know and it

3547
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:46,700
took it took another creative mind to

3548
02:54:50,890 --> 02:54:48,170
think outside of the box

3549
02:54:54,370 --> 02:54:50,900
and come up with something for an

3550
02:54:56,200 --> 02:54:54,380
effective use as a tool for the internet

3551
02:55:01,710 --> 02:54:56,210
because the Internet is here and it is

3552
02:55:05,350 --> 02:55:01,720
everywhere and it's a it's about it you

3553
02:55:08,470 --> 02:55:05,360
think about a blockchain that is a that

3554
02:55:09,910 --> 02:55:08,480
is the parse for a search engine that is

3555
02:55:11,860 --> 02:55:09,920
run by quantum computing you know

3556
02:55:13,750 --> 02:55:11,870
quantum computing works right mm-hmm I

3557
02:55:16,450 --> 02:55:13,760
do instead of sending one instruction

3558
02:55:21,011 --> 02:55:16,460
out sandstoe knock on a bunch of very

3559
02:55:22,990 --> 02:55:21,021
very broad analogy instead of sending a

3560
02:55:25,091 --> 02:55:23,000
mailman out to go post on every single

3561
02:55:26,320 --> 02:55:25,101
door and knock on every single door to

3562
02:55:29,860 --> 02:55:26,330
make sure they get in the post to the

3563
02:55:31,240 --> 02:55:29,870
right place instead it sends a mailman

3564
02:55:32,980 --> 02:55:31,250
out for every

3565
02:55:35,290 --> 02:55:32,990
single door and make sure the right now

3566
02:55:37,050 --> 02:55:35,300
this the right was that's essentially

3567
02:55:39,310 --> 02:55:37,060
what a search is almost like on a

3568
02:55:41,080 --> 02:55:39,320
quantum computing now think about that

3569
02:55:42,790 --> 02:55:41,090
midst of the blockchain how did the

3570
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:42,800
blockchain updates every chain every

3571
02:55:47,350 --> 02:55:45,530
block on the chain right run could

3572
02:55:49,390 --> 02:55:47,360
essentially take a search that is

3573
02:55:52,050 --> 02:55:49,400
already ridiculously fast not on making

3574
02:55:57,370 --> 02:55:52,060
it faster right right right right

3575
02:55:59,520 --> 02:55:57,380
run a simple website like you know wolf

3576
02:56:02,800 --> 02:55:59,530
or an alpha or people or whatever

3577
02:56:03,970 --> 02:56:02,810
searched return or theory or whatever

3578
02:56:05,290 --> 02:56:03,980
you want to section whatever you want to

3579
02:56:06,760 --> 02:56:05,300
do it with it those were being run by

3580
02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:06,770
quantum computers you would get those

3581
02:56:10,390 --> 02:56:08,810
kinds of results if everybody was using

3582
02:56:11,500 --> 02:56:10,400
block chains on their websites for

3583
02:56:14,560 --> 02:56:11,510
updating the package

3584
02:56:17,740 --> 02:56:14,570
do you know here's a trivia question and

3585
02:56:19,810 --> 02:56:17,750
don't google it when you google a search

3586
02:56:29,440 --> 02:56:19,820
word or term do you know how many

3587
02:56:33,640 --> 02:56:29,450
servers are used no for your single

3588
02:56:38,260 --> 02:56:33,650
search you want to search the word your

3589
02:56:41,580 --> 02:56:38,270
hockey puck how many servers are you

3590
02:56:42,820 --> 02:56:41,590
connected to and how many of those no

3591
02:56:47,380 --> 02:56:42,830
okay

3592
02:56:51,280 --> 02:56:47,390
but I wonder again your query your your

3593
02:57:02,110 --> 02:56:51,290
query how many servers are used for your

3594
02:57:06,550 --> 02:57:02,120
search okay well you're thinking

3595
02:57:12,430 --> 02:57:06,560
correctly the answer is one thousand one

3596
02:57:13,750 --> 02:57:12,440
thousand servers per query the question

3597
02:57:15,340 --> 02:57:13,760
the bigger question about how there is

3598
02:57:17,380 --> 02:57:15,350
how is the information to Sharia in

3599
02:57:18,340 --> 02:57:17,390
between Europe between you and the

3600
02:57:20,020 --> 02:57:18,350
server that you are actually

3601
02:57:21,610 --> 02:57:20,030
communicating with and there's every

3602
02:57:24,730 --> 02:57:21,620
single one in between the Advocate

3603
02:57:26,890 --> 02:57:24,740
factoring on the scale well yeah our

3604
02:57:29,020 --> 02:57:26,900
data doesn't just go between you point a

3605
02:57:31,570 --> 02:57:29,030
and point B you know really goes from

3606
02:57:33,580 --> 02:57:31,580
point A to point eight point one eight

3607
02:57:35,860 --> 02:57:33,590
point two eight point three so on so

3608
02:57:37,120 --> 02:57:35,870
forth down a million scale right in some

3609
02:57:39,340 --> 02:57:37,130
cases if you're sending information

3610
02:57:42,580 --> 02:57:39,350
across the world but alone large amounts

3611
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:42,590
of it at one yep where the server moved

3612
02:57:45,131 --> 02:57:44,570
from one data set to another to Arizona

3613
02:57:50,951 --> 02:57:45,141
from once

3614
02:57:56,581 --> 02:57:50,961
to another server mid transmission yeah

3615
02:58:00,031 --> 02:57:56,591
I'm going because Cisco Systems man

3616
02:58:03,791 --> 02:58:00,041
Cisco Systems and it's it's an

3617
02:58:07,270 --> 02:58:03,801
unbelievable study once you go and start

3618
02:58:10,201 --> 02:58:07,280
to look at how packet switching actually

3619
02:58:13,241 --> 02:58:10,211
works how switchers actually works and

3620
02:58:15,730 --> 02:58:13,251
and how things are routed on the

3621
02:58:18,671 --> 02:58:15,740
internet and you know with this audio

3622
02:58:22,841 --> 02:58:18,681
signal that we're listening to now or a

3623
02:58:25,031 --> 02:58:22,851
stream or a phone call or anything that

3624
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:25,041
has continuous well it's not continuous

3625
02:58:29,921 --> 02:58:27,200
it's it's broken up in thousands of

3626
02:58:33,911 --> 02:58:29,931
packets routed all over the place and

3627
02:58:36,821 --> 02:58:33,921
then strung back together on your

3628
02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:36,831
computer at the receiving end it's it's

3629
02:58:44,291 --> 02:58:40,730
a it's a fascinating phenomenal thing to

3630
02:58:48,011 --> 02:58:44,301
go and study and there you know thank

3631
02:58:49,480 --> 02:58:48,021
you so much Kyle yes no I doubt more as

3632
02:58:52,571 --> 02:58:49,490
long we keep going forward

3633
02:58:55,241 --> 02:58:52,581
you know broken Moore's Law yeah Oh

3634
02:58:58,871 --> 02:58:55,251
Moore's law has been trampled in the

3635
02:59:02,081 --> 02:58:58,881
ground and I don't know I don't I mean

3636
02:59:05,051 --> 02:59:02,091
if we continue if we continue I don't

3637
02:59:07,661 --> 02:59:05,061
know I don't know where it's possibly

3638
02:59:11,560 --> 02:59:07,671
going to end if quantum computing is the

3639
02:59:15,701 --> 02:59:11,570
only answer for that I'm not so sure but

3640
02:59:18,100 --> 02:59:15,711
how much smaller can we really get yeah

3641
02:59:20,020 --> 02:59:18,110
you know question is how long will it

3642
02:59:21,400 --> 02:59:20,030
take for us to get quantum computing to

3643
02:59:23,291 --> 02:59:21,410
a point where it can run at standard

3644
02:59:24,940 --> 02:59:23,301
room temperatures and then the question

3645
02:59:27,761 --> 02:59:24,950
asking the question really begins to

3646
02:59:29,831 --> 02:59:27,771
unfold itself again yeah yeah I mean if

3647
02:59:32,201 --> 02:59:29,841
we if we Bremen Alice basically holding

3648
02:59:35,140 --> 02:59:32,211
pattern till then well if we actually

3649
02:59:37,390 --> 02:59:35,150
have a quantum laptop and I'm around to

3650
02:59:39,940 --> 02:59:37,400
see that that's going to be it's going

3651
02:59:42,761 --> 02:59:39,950
to be an amazing day but it comes down

3652
02:59:46,331 --> 02:59:42,771
to a night I've got to I've got to run

3653
02:59:48,400 --> 02:59:46,341
credits and get out of here Kyle but the

3654
02:59:51,940 --> 02:59:48,410
thing is you know we still have to make

3655
02:59:53,890 --> 02:59:51,950
the circuits gold wire and so forth you

3656
02:59:56,831 --> 02:59:53,900
still have to connect to these chips and

3657
02:59:58,240 --> 02:59:56,841
they're getting so small how do you

3658
03:00:00,850 --> 02:59:58,250
continue to

3659
03:00:03,820 --> 03:00:00,860
run the circuits to them that's the

3660
03:00:05,350 --> 03:00:03,830
interesting part one of the big ones

3661
03:00:07,570 --> 03:00:05,360
don't throw your old computers out

3662
03:00:09,460 --> 03:00:07,580
recycle them because we pull those parts

3663
03:00:12,840 --> 03:00:09,470
apart and really be inside

3664
03:00:15,760 --> 03:00:12,850
thank you so much Kyle we say baby well

3665
03:00:18,870 --> 03:00:15,770
you might have a great night what a

3666
03:00:21,880 --> 03:00:18,880
great last phone call that was and

3667
03:00:23,800 --> 03:00:21,890
that's the thing with Moore's law

3668
03:00:26,320 --> 03:00:23,810
you know you continue to get smaller and

3669
03:00:30,790 --> 03:00:26,330
faster double double faster half double

3670
03:00:35,160 --> 03:00:30,800
double how small can you really get I

3671
03:00:36,580 --> 03:00:35,170
mean seriously you know that's that's a

3672
03:00:38,920 --> 03:00:36,590
part of it

3673
03:00:42,310 --> 03:00:38,930
I want to thank Nick Redfern great

3674
03:00:45,370 --> 03:00:42,320
conversation the book is the Slenderman

3675
03:00:48,460 --> 03:00:45,380
mysteries go and check it out it's an

3676
03:00:49,830 --> 03:00:48,470
amazing read tomorrow night rizz Virg is

3677
03:00:54,120 --> 03:00:49,840
here

3678
03:00:56,710 --> 03:00:54,130
the killer AI that's tomorrow night

3679
03:00:58,570 --> 03:00:56,720
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3680
03:01:01,030 --> 03:00:58,580
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3681
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3682
03:01:06,670 --> 03:01:03,650
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3683
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:06,680
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3684
03:01:13,390 --> 03:01:10,010
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3685
03:01:17,160 --> 03:01:13,400
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3686
03:01:21,190 --> 03:01:17,170
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3687
03:01:24,670 --> 03:01:21,200
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3688
03:01:28,120 --> 03:01:24,680
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3689
03:01:30,700 --> 03:01:28,130
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3690
03:01:32,920 --> 03:01:30,710
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3691
03:01:34,480 --> 03:01:32,930
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3692
03:01:36,850 --> 03:01:34,490
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3693
03:01:38,920 --> 03:01:36,860
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3694
03:01:41,140 --> 03:01:38,930
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3695
03:01:43,910 --> 03:01:41,150
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3696
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